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Like the title says, are there any EVs that just have a Bluetooth radio and that's it? Like a normal car, not a smartphone on wheels? If not, do you all think that this will actually happen at some point? This is the main reason why I can't (and will never) buy an EV. I like to have actual buttons everywhere on my car. I think those massive tablets on these cars with all the touch buttons are very dangerous. I like an "entertainment system" that only connects to my phone with either a headphone jack ~~of~~ or Bluetooth. It's a car, not a PC.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I have a 2016 Nissan Leaf. It's a short range commuter car, it makes a great second car for a family but it's no good if it's your only car.

I live in a left-hand drive country that gets heaps of used imports from Japan (who is also left-hand drive), so they are cheapish and easy to get YMMV,. The entertainment system is not touch screen, it has physical buttons including controls on the steering wheel. I'm not sure if it can phone home since it's no longer in a supported country. We use Bluetooth for music and that's it as the Nissan Connect stuff doesn't work here.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

The Nissan Connect stuff doesn't work anymore for any of the 2016 Leafs, they used a form of cell service that is no longer in operation.

I swapped a nice Kenwood head unit into my Leaf for a couple hundred dollars. It maintains the backup camera, steering wheel controls, and the built in USB port while offering a larger screen and touch screen controls for Android Auto or Apple Car Play if you want them. It's awesome and I highly recommend it for anyone who wants a short range commuter car.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That's what I tell people who are just pure "anti" EV. No one should be anti EV, that's a stupid take IMO. (Even the things about the environmental cost, I mean, fair, except their solution is to continue to keep destroying the planet by burning gas/diesel so you know they don't actually care about that issue).

EVs are perfect for commuter cars and around town cars, which I'd say is 95+% of driving for most people. They just don't want to admit it. Their vision of how they drive is wild and free on an open road, but most of them are just going to walmart, to work, for groceries, and around town. Since most of America is 2+ cars per house, it makes absolute sense for one to be an EV and the other to be an ICE/hybrid.

[โ€“] grue 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

EVs are perfect for commuter cars and around town cars, which Iโ€™d say is 95+% of driving for most people.

The real "EVs"^1^ -- that is, e-bikes -- are even more perfect for that use case, though.

(^1^ Because most electric vehicles sold are, in fact bicycles, not cars)

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

Just rented a KIA Niro and wouldn't have been able to tell it was an EV from the interior. HSS Bluetooth but I usually opt for Android auto.

[โ€“] Bytemeister 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

I think we need a car that "weeds out" all the shitty tech that has been integrated and comes "standard" now.

Let's take my partner's 2021 Honda Civic for example.

Lane Keep Assist (LKAS) - it's garbage. The car does not recognize construction zones, and it will actively fight you if you are in those zones, or if you have to make an emergency lane change without signaling, like if a deer, or child runs in front of your car. We turned this feature off.

Collision Mitigation Braking System (CMBS) - This system legit tries to wreck the car. We've had it flag and even slam the brakes dozens of times in non-emergency scenarios. It was so bad we took it back to the dealer to have the software updated (which changed nothing) and considered returning the car. The system has to be manually disabled every time we drive the car, we cannot permanently disable it. Slamming your brakes at highway speeds when someone makes a close merge is a real good way to wreck your car and the 6 or so behind you. The risk of causing 12+ accidents to avoid or mitigate 0 is not worthwhile, and it needs to go.

Adaptive Cruise Control - A great way to make idiots fall asleep, and causes left lane lollygagging. I tried using adaptive cruise control for a few long trips, and what I noticed is that there are long lines of cars driving 4 under where they are all using ACC. When the car automatically adjusts it's speed, you lose feedback on the speed you are actually going, because you never get into that "decision zone" behind a car where you either slow down, or pass the other car. It also makes people feel more confident to let the car drive, so they'll fuck around on their phones. Get rid of it, you'll get where you're going faster and safer if you do.

Auto Dimming Headlights - Turns on by accident all the time, and very hard to turn off. Works ~50% of the time. Could be good, but really sucks right now.

Here are some features that rock, and should stay in.

Keyless entry

Remote start and push button start

Apple / Android phone integration

Brake hold

Backup camera

Thanks for attending my rant.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Oh man, I love adaptive cruise control. I also don't agree that using it in the left lane is bad. If there's a line of cars going too slowly, the person in front is the asshole, not the three using ACC behind them. You really shouldn't pass on the right anyway, would definitely not call doing that driving safer.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I got one as a loaner last year and agree on everything except the backup cameras, those are completely unnecessary too. I hated that car. Was happy to get my 2012 model back.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

That was actually an awesome rant. Enshitification is rampant

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[โ€“] MeatsOfRage 6 points 6 months ago

Don't know about your answer specially but can get EV conversion kits that provide the hardware to turn older cars into EVs. Of course you really have to know what you're doing or know someone who does and the kits themselves are often as expensive as mid range vehicles.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

I tried an VW ID3 this weekend, the software was low key, it mostly relied on you having Apple Car or it's android equivalent.

[โ€“] khepri 5 points 6 months ago

The old Chevy Sparks are basically golf carts with 4 doors and permission to drive in the roads. They are the least "techy" EVs I've seen in person as they are really just a battery swap with the minimally-appointed ICE version of the car, which is very sparse on the electronic doodads.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

Those "cheap" Asian EV's look like bare bone vehicles. But you get what you are paying for.
For once I wouldn't suggest to buy an old first gen EV. They are unpredictable, and have a lot of different issues.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Hopefully someday.

[โ€“] Son_of_dad 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I agree with the touch screen thing. Without a physical button I'm forced to constantly look down at the screen. That shit isn't safe.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Canoo if they every exist IRL.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Smart cars maybe?

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