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If not on Wayland, what's stopping you?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If not on Wayland, what's stopping you?

NVIDIA :(

[–] LakesLIT 1 points 1 year ago

I can relate to this. I’ve been trying to trade my 3070 TI for an AMD card just for good ole’ Linux.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

X, because honestly my screen works and don't currently need to replace the server behind it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I understand and X works fine for a lot od people but do remember the number of developers maintaining it have been dropping year on year. No harm in trying IMO. If you are on Plasma or Gnome, you get a simple switcher on the login screen.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I know X is really showing its age.

I have to add that the switcher is not on Debian 12 by default, where Wayland support for Plasma is optional in plasma-workspace-wayland. Also, it is broken on Nvidia due to missing packages/libraries and Nvidia's proprietary driver still in general not supporting Wayland properly.

[–] Metigoth 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is bottom left on my sddm login Wayland or X11 session kde. Debian 12 bookworm AMD

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Because you installed it, or because 12 now gives both via tasksel (or Debian setup). My system is from Debian 10

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wayland, I like the smooth scrolling, the touchpad gestures, and the not being unmaintained / unmaintainable aspect.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm on Wayland on all computers. The main pain point I have with Wayland at this moment is the lack of session save/restore (remembering which windows were open and saving their state on logout, and restoring all on login). All of the computers are powered by AMD graphics cards and KDE Plasma desktop.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I did not know wayland was lacking this feature until recently when I switched to wayland on my work computer. So long as I know stuff won't be restored, I can plan ahead now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I'm on Wayland on my laptop, which is AMD (I specifically went all AMD because NVidia is just kind of a pain in the ass on Linux I've found) and that works perfectly, it's been my daily driver for probably about a year and I tend to forget I'm even running it unless it comes up, such as talking about it now.

My desktop is Nvidia and that thing will crash if you even say the word Wayland within about 10 feet of it so that one's still rocking X11 for now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

X because when I try selecting Wayland from sddm the screen goes black and then takes me back to sddm. I'm on manjaro and I've done no configuration and I've not attempted to install Wayland I just assume because it's an option in my drop down that it's been installed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Fizz @bacteriostat @kde On my arch install, I had to install plasma-wayland-session to make that option work.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I had plasma-wayland-session already installed. It turns out I needed to add nvidia-drm to the kernal params and forced GBM backend. After that it seems to be working. I am a wayland man now!

[–] sporif 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wayland on my ryzen laptop, Xorg on my Nvidia pc. There are just too many things missing with Nvidia, such as Gsync, gamma control, overclocking and fan control.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I recently switched to Wayland to see if it would work and it did. It's been a few weeks and don't forget myself going back to X11. My only complaint is that I couldn't for the life of me find how to change the cursor speed. I see scroll speeds but no trackpad speed. So I just live with a slightly slower cursor. I'm sure I could figure it out outside of KDE if I really looked, but it's just usable enough to where I haven't bothered yet.

[–] mayidar 2 points 1 year ago

When I used Wayland my laptop couldn't turn on properly after sleeping. I think it's related to the fact that sddm (at least in standard repos) is xorg at the moment.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm using X because on Wayland windows sometimes disappear from view. I can't even blame Nvidia because I'm all Intel.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That's an unusual issue, have you reported it on bugs.kde.org?

[–] thenextfrontier 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I use wayland on my laptop running GNOME, and I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary. I recognize that people's hardware is a big deciding factor on if it works this well or not though...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yup. I am myself running Plasma Wayland on 2 laptops (both Ryzen APUs) for over an year now. Seems like Nvidia is the biggest limiting factor.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

X still. I've tested and found an additional 16ms latency on Wayland, and it's really annoying trying to do OBS Window Capture as I have to re-grant the sandbox permissions for each window every time I use it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I use Wayland and love it, but have two serious issues:

  1. Sunshine does not show a mouse cursor without a hack that kills performance.
  2. Have to disable asyc reprojection in order to use VR.
    Bonus less serious issue: I can't re-dock floating toolbars on X applications when using XWayland.
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Still using X on some of my servers because AnyDesk does not currently support Wayland, and sometimes I want a GUI instead of ssh.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Been on Wayland for a few years. It’s not always been sunshine and roses, but neither has X.

I still remember being really annoyed everytime I had to edit Xorg.conf files and finding my desktop to no longer boot or mouse to no longer work.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

For me personally on an AMD GPU, Wayland seems feature-complete. In terms of bugs though Wayland can be a pain. My primary monitor always seems to lock up either entirely or in parts. Like I can use the taskbar but a game becomes unresponsive, or vise versa. Literally as I typed this, my taskbar locked up and I can't select anything so I will have to reboot lol.

Another annoying thing about KDE under both X and Wayland (though it happens in Wayland far more) is when the taskbar and title bar icons default to the display server logo. I hate that. Probably on the app developers though.

GNOME under Wayland is a different story, I ran that for a year and outside of some external monitor funkiness everything just seemed bug free. Might switch back once GNOME gets VRR support, we'll see how Plasma 6 is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Wayland, because I'm late enough to the party that I started with it and haven't really had any issues.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Currently on X. Mostly because out of the box Wayland doesn't work with my nVidia card. I know there are solutions available to make it work, but I haven't had the time to try them, and honestly X is working just fine for me. Not sure what benefits I'd see by switching to Wayland.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wayland!
It has advanced a lot lately, I've been daily driving it for months now with no issues, compared to a couple of Plasma versions ago where it would break itself in 5 minutes lol.
Only thing I'm missing is a good remote access solution. I'm currently making do with Sunshine + Moonlight but it has the very annoying bug of not showing the mouse cursor.

Edit: lol just realized this post is 1 month old. Really looking forward to Lemmy fixing this bug.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I will switch to Wayland once there is a Window Maker -like WM for it. I need my workflow haha.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The new tiling in Plasma (wayland) is nice, but it's not quite what I'm looking for, so I use X, which lets me replace KWin with XMonad and get the auto-tiling that I like.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I keep trying Wayland and it works so well until it suddenly don’t.

Just two weeks ago I tried again and used it fulltime for a few days. In 90% of cases it’s better than X, but when something goes wrong 10% then it’s too much.

Essentially I had mad flickering in various games and random black screens for a few seconds every now and then in FFXIV.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Despite having an nvidia card, i use wayland and deal with the glitches cause once you've gotten a taste you can't go back

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wayland, I've tried X but it just seems so much slower

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

HiDPI sucks less on X than on Wayland

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

neat, useful to know if I ever get a HiDPI monitor

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Wayland fixed a strange blinking issue in Minecraft. So now Wayland all the time.

[–] mekkagodzilla 1 points 1 year ago

I tried Wayland, but found myself in a situation where windows wouldn't maximize correctly on my second screen. So back to X11 for now.

[–] ccarney 1 points 1 year ago

I switched to Wayland as soon as it was available because I have a mixed-dpi setup (multi-monitor with a hi-dpi screen and a standard-dpi screen) which isn't supported on X. That was a big compromise in the beginning, but it feels more like a mature product now. I specifically avoided Nvidia when I bought the machine because I've always had driver issues with them on linux.

The thing that I still really miss is custom shortcuts with keyboard macros, but I think that's probably just impossible with Wayland's security model.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Using Xfce on my laptop because it's a piece of shit and wayland becomes unresponsive when ram is used up but X keeps working

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

X for me.

I tried Wayland a few times over the years but it was always too buggy and many applications just didn't work.

A couple of updates later, Wayland completely stopped working, all I get is a black screen and a cursor.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When was the last time you tried? And which GPU?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I tried it again just now. I can still start a console but plasma just won't start. All I get is

The Wayland connection broke. Did the Wayland compositor die?

plasma-plasmashell.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.

qt.qpa.wayland: Wayland does not support QWindow::requestActivate()

I'm on Nvidia of course 😕

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I guess things are still rough on Nvidia.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

X11 because what we really needed was X12 but instead we threw the baby out with the bath water.

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