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[–] WhatsThePoint 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

These fucking industries are so stupid. Stop spending your money fighting needed change and use that money to develop viable alternatives. Long run it’s a much smarter investment because you aren’t going to stop the change humanity needs to survive. Business people are pretty dumb when it comes to these seemingly obvious choices.

[–] School_Lunch 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I agree, but my understanding of it is that developing and announcing a long term plan for a company like that would cause the stock price to dip in the short term. Apparently that would be something shareholders could sue over, so even if some CEO wanted to do the right thing, they couldn't. It comes down to the greed of people who don't know and don't care about the companies they're invested in and their impacts on the world. They just want that money to come in every month.

[–] WhatsThePoint 4 points 7 months ago

When America had actual regulations on shareholders and things like stock buy backs back in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, shareholders didn’t have this leverage and STILL got obscenely rich. Reagan was the beginning of the hardcore shareholder strip mining of American businesses. We need to reinstate a lot of our previous good ideas.

[–] phoneymouse 8 points 7 months ago

Plastic suuuuucks

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The problem isn't just plastic, it's the long supply chains. Let's take juice bottles, you stop using plastic, what do you use? Single use glass isn't good either, it takes a lot of energy to recycle it, way more than plastic (not that we are actually able to recycle plastic), metal cans are probably a bit better but they also have their energy costs. Reusable glass is the best, but it still has to be moved by heavy truck back and forth from the bottling plant.

We need to start rethinking distribution.

[–] eskimofry 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

You should reuse glass bottles first, not recycle them after 1 use.

[–] Scrunch4173 3 points 7 months ago

Nah... We tried that. It wasn't practical. All shops were required to collect glass bottles from customers. You then had to transport them to cleaning facilities. Before transporting them to the breweries. Then back to the stores. And you had to have special crates for transporting the bottles. Since the number of bottles received wasn't the same as the number of bottles sold, you also had to distribute those crates between stores.

Here we ended up recycling all the plastic and aluminium bottles. They are shredded in the store to make transport efficient. Then transported to the recycling facility. Here about 90% of all bottles are recycled.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

You clearly didn't read all of my comment before replying

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Ahead of the latest round of talks, European researchers published a database of more than 16,000 chemicals plastics can contain, many of which have been linked to cancer risks and damage to the human immune system.

In particular, the industry is pushing back against the possible inclusion in the treaty of caps on global plastic production, an approach favored by a broad coalition of nations at the talks, which resumed on Tuesday in Ottawa.

Recycling has failed to stem the flow of plastic waste that is piling up in landfills, entering the world’s rivers and oceans, and breaking down into tiny particles that have made their way into drinking water supplies and are detectable in human blood.

It’s part of a slew of new rules on planet-warming pollution the White House issued recently as it works to meet the nation’s goal of cutting carbon emissions by about half from 2005 levels by the end of the decade.

It also paused the permitting process for new liquefied natural gas export facilities in order to analyze their impact on climate change, the economy and national security.

Writing in The Guardian, the finance ministers of Germany, Brazil, South Africa and Spain argue for a 2 percent wealth tax on billionaires to tackle inequality and the climate crisis.


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