Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.
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Who are you hiding from? "Increasing privacy" means nothing without context.
My adversaries (well, when I'm not at a protest) are not likely to be tracking my phones location, and my phone is set up that no app or website can, so to me personally it's a large sacrifice for no benefit.
But for someone else, it could be good advice!
@comfy @thursday_j Indeed you need context, but let's limit the concept of "full privacy and security" to things that are in your control. E.g you might control the physical safety of your device but you can't control how many man-in-the-middle are between your phone and the rest of the internet. As a regular technology user my threat actors are big-tech and establishments.
It sounds like you're suggesting Linux phones are more private and secure than GrapheneOS. Given their current state and limitations, it is extremely unlikely that any of them are more secure than GrapheneOS against a typical hacker or malicious app.
with the downside that is limited to one single phone brand
In terms of security, this is also a benefit. It means they aren't trying to aim at fifty different targets which may behave different or even unexpectedly. The software developers have far far far more confidence that their security features will work on your device if they test it on theirs.
Again, there is no such thing as “full privacy and security”. It is unpragmatic idealism. Not only does it misinterpret privacy and security as concepts, it is an unconstructive attitude for creating an effective security model, and just encourages burnout for no benefit. We don't limit "full". There is no full. There is no perfect answer. It's an undefined and unachievable idea.
"[Someone made] a laptop, encased in foam in a full Faraday cage, wrapped by alternating metal foils, and finally covered by a 1" layer of reinforced concrete."
"It had been billed as the most secure computer ever. Right until two research papers had come out that showed it was possible to decipher processing by the amount of power being consumed and by pulling the slight RF signal being carried by the ground line. "
Now, I'm not saying you can't effectively secure your device adequately against big-tech and corporate capitalism. I say you can! It's achievable. But it's unconstructive to hold the illusion that there is some absolute "full privacy" against them.
@comfy in terms of software linux phones still have a long way to catch android. Even when taking the desktop flavors, against windows, linux is still not a match. Thanks for sharing that article. Is good to know exactly which are the areas where linux must improve.
@comfy The hardware approach has already surpassed most of androids due to their open firmware nature. In my scenario, let's say I'm going to a protest and enforce my human rights upon the establishment. I turn off cellular, WiFi, Bluetooth, BLE, NFC, UWB and just use my phone as a pocket computer to take video footage. Later I read a security article that the cellular modem in my phone is able to transmit data outside phone's operating system.
Yeah but I have to like... function in society and go to work, of which I use my phone constantly and whatnot.
I mean if I didn't, sure.
Defeats the purpose of a mobile phone
yeah the next step is to just leave it at home, as there are many anti theft features that phone have to track it while it’s turned off. but at that point, why even a phone?
privacy is about balance and forgoing certain pieces of data for specific services. you find what you feel comfortable with and then resist giving more information than needed.
The simplest way is to not own one. Get a land line and an answering machine instead. It's ok to not be reachable every minute of every day.
Is it really that much safer vs running Graphene? I'm sincerely curious as I don't know the specific benefits of a landline vs a secure ROM.