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[–] [email protected] 34 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Please, we need to charge 3x retail for 1/2 the normal amount of usable RAM because of reasons. Also, our cutting edge products are as upgradable as a styrofoam cup.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

They like it because it's an easy product differentiation. If they removed that option they would need to bump up every level so the top end would need to get better.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 7 months ago

It's disgusting how we allow companies to sell essentially e-waste just so they can enrich shareholders a bit more.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

According to Buyze, the 8GB of RAM in entry-level Macs is enough for most of the tasks that most users do with these computers.

While this is true, it also applies to the rest of the hardware like the processor. Most users don't need an M3 chip and would be fine with something built 10 years ago. Not a great argument if you're trying to sell your latest and greatest tech (at least to anyone who takes these argument on anything more than a surface level).

[–] Ptsf 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Not disagreeing with the sentiment, but that's a poor argument. The m3 has far better power efficiency than anything built 10 years ago and the battery life that allows is one of the leading drivers in selling anyone new technology.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'd argue that they don't really take advantage of efficiency though. Instead of longer SOT, they opt for smaller batteries with similar SOT to the older models in order to make the devices thinner.

[–] Ptsf 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Your argument is provably wrong. Compare the battery life of any modern M series mac to it's windows equivalent and you'd find that the Mac is significantly better. The MacBook pro 16 even fits the maximum allowable battery size at 99wh.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Apple is good at selling literal shit to customers and make them feel like they are premium.

What a joke we live in

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Another thought I have is, they are doing this to then argue that their new future 32GB Mac is needed for a normal experience and everyone should buy the new one because of more RAM

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

Me reading this and the comments, wondering if I'll ever use all 4G ram on my Linux X201...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

8GB is too much! Offer a 4GB option then we’ll talk.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What are they doing that makes software in the Mac universe that much more memory efficient?

I went from 8GB to 32GB on my laptop. It was second only to going from HDD to SSD. The difference was nowhere near as apparent though. My usage experience went from being able to tell when the kernel was hitting swap space to not having to care at all anymore about the how the kernel is doing with memory management.

[–] AmazingAwesomator 2 points 7 months ago

apple may make software that doesnt require more than 8GB of memory, but a lot of developers that arent apple dont take that into consideration.

"memory is infinite" is a modern day slogan when building simple cross-platform apps because there is so much to use on normal computers.

there is even a joke for electron apps in this regard: how much memory does an electron app need to run? more.

[–] taanegl 3 points 7 months ago

Hey, look who's no longer pushing the envelope... come on irrelevancy..

[–] Buffalox 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

To me It sounds like an automaker arguing for selling cars with 2 wheels. Then the customer can decide to buy 2 more if he wants to.
Yes I know it's not exactly the same, but for Christ sake, cutting it to 8GB is Apple bean counting to the extreme. Reducing from 16 to 8 saves peanuts, and obviously many will have a better experience with 16GB.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

I have more RAM deticated to a RAMdisk than their computers come with, and I only have 32gb