Pretty ironic considering what they have done to human dignity for centuries
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Vatican should shut the fuck up and pay attention to their own bullshit before casting their stone. The glass house they live in is barely held together. How many children at this point now?
There are a couple of institutions that keep trying to bring us back to the middle ages. I suggest we get rid of them for good before they declare the next holy crusade. Dear Pope, you suck!
Who the fuck do these Vatican people think they are, to lecture others on morality? The previous pope instructed all of Catholosism that they were not to report pedophile priests to the police on pain of excommunication. And this is apparently fine by the current pope.
They are a bunch of idiots with no coherent concept of morality. All morality is based on personal responsibility, but most Christians seem to think they can ask their imaginary friend - rather than the one they have wronged - for forgiveness, and be granted it! It is absolutely absurd. I'm not saying that Christians in general are bad people, I'm just saying we shouldn't be looking towards Christianity or any of its leaders for moral guidance.
Incidentally - do you know which World War 2 nazis were excommunicated for their crimes by the Catholic church? You'd probably be surprised to know that it was only one. One! And who was it? It was Joseph Goebbels. Among all the heinous crimes commited by the nazis, what was it that Goebbels specifically did that caused the Catholic church to say "enough is enough"? I'll tell you what he did: He married a divorced protestant. "That's it," the Catholic church said, "you no longer get to go to heaven with your fellow nazi war criminals. Killing 13 million people in the Holocaust alone we can live with, but marrying a divorced protestant? No, we can't have that, that would be, like, totally immoral dude."
But surely, I hear you say, the Catholic church was against the nazis? No. No, they were not. Hitler's birthday was celebrated in German Catholic churces all throughout the war. Only in 1960's did the Catholic church apologize for its silence during the Holocaust, and revert the hitherto established doctrine that all currently living Jews - including children - are personally responsible for killing Jesus. That's why they didn't oppose the Holocaust - because the Jews (never mind that they weren't the only victims) had it coming, since they were all (some-fucking-how) personally responsible for "killing Jesus".
So, yeah. I'm not going to let these morons lecture me or anyone else on morality.
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Human dignity? That was a lost cause a long time ago.
... because a jesuit taking the name after S.Francis wasn't already a clue strong enough?
You would think, but the "Cool Pope" label persists.
so the vatican is running the same fuckin narratives as the american GOP??? Surrogacy?!
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Who asked Vatican? Don't they fuck kids? I'm not asking my local child molester what they think about my wife pegging me, let's stop giving fucktards a platform.
The surrogacy debate is one of those things where I think leftists and feminists across the world don't realize how far apart they are. Over here it's a very mainstream left-wing, feminist position to agree with the Pope on that one. Hardcore feminists, and increasingly moderates as well will refer to surrogacy as "human trafficking" and have been lobbying to illegalize it outright for a while.
I'm not super aware of the mainstream stance among feminism in the US, but from the comments here I'm gonna say... not that?
From the US: I'm over 30 and this is the first time I've heard surrogacy referred to as human trafficking. And now I need to sit and think.
It's always felt a little bit creepy to me, but I've also never wanted kids and the idea of pregnancy for any reason would be traumatic. So I'm starting out heavily biased. I think if you take the money out, it no longer counts....?
But the idea would be so out of left field that it would mostly be dismissed out of hand, probably even by most women.
I'm curious, where's "over here" for you? I'm not super involved in politics here in the US, but I don't think surrogacy is really talked about much here? There's the people who vehemently oppose it (from my experience that's mostly the religious right), but almost any interaction I've had discussing it just lists it as an option people can consider.
I should mention that I'm Bi and don't have a kid, so I mostly hear about it from the context of same sex couples.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
The Vatican has described the belief in gender fluidity as “a concession to the age-old temptation to make oneself God”, as it released an updated declaration of what the Catholic church regards as threats to human dignity.
The new Dignitas infinita (Infinite Dignity) declaration released by the Vatican’s doctrinal office on Monday after five years in the making reiterates Pope Francis’s previous criticism of what he has called an “ugly ideology of our time”.
Reiterating opposition to gender reassignment surgery, it adds: “It follows that any sex-change intervention, as a rule, risks threatening the unique dignity the person has received from the moment of conception.”
The Holy See distinguished between these sorts of surgeries and procedures to resolve “genital abnormalities” that are present at birth or develop later.
The Vatican said Pope Francis had approved the document, which also reaffirms its condemnation of surrogacy, saying the practice represents “a grave violation of the dignity of the woman and the child”.
Fernández, a liberal theologian who was appointed to the DDF role – one of the Vatican’s most powerful positions – by Francis last year, said punishing homosexuality was “a big problem” and that it was “painful” to see some Catholics support anti-homosexuality laws.
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