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If your character's starting off at level one, they're really only getting started with adventuring. You can let that be reflected in their backstory.

If you want to play a badass, starting above level 1 is allowed, though probably not recommended for new players still learning the rules of whatever system you're playing.

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[–] Zoutpeper 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'd never recommend playing dnd 5e at level 1, even for beginners. Level 3 is where classes get their basic identity and you don't instantly die to everything

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The first few levels should be thought of as a tutorial, where there is no true peril no matter what enemies you face.

It's useful to get a feel for a new character before you start piling on all the details of class skills.

[–] Zoutpeper 3 points 1 year ago

But the peril is highest in those first few levels as a strong breeze will kill a level 1 character. I also think it is hard to get a feel for a character if they lack eveything that defines them class-wise imo

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Level 1 might be a good place to start for someone who's never heard what a TTRPG is. Your abilities list is small enough that you don't need to think hard about what you can do for every round of combat, and you probably have very few out of combat abilities so you just roll for it.

That said, it's also really fucking boring. If you want them to have a good time, they better get through the first few levels quickly.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

"I've never lost a fight."

"Jim, that's only because you've never even been in a fight."

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Considering that a real world new recruit who's only martial experience is about 8-10 weeks of basic training would probably be a second or maybe even third level fighter, first level characters aren't very impressive. If there's an actual zero next to "Experience" on your character sheet you aren't a grizzled veteran and you haven't seen anything rougher than a barfight. You probably lost that fight, too.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you explain your logic why someone just out of basic is above first level? (Not disagreeing, just would like to understand).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not OP but sure!

Consider that a level 1 commoner is like... well, let's just say the average American. Not your average gaming enthusiast, of course, but like, one of those folks working down at Wendy's, who probably weighs a little extra and won't take shit from you if you try an' start somethin'. Can probably run a mile in 15 minutes, or 20 minutes if they're in heels, but make that 12 minutes if cops are involved.

Speaking of cops, I feel like they're a pretty fair baseline of what a level 1 fighter would be. You know the type: usually a bit overweight, but they'll still run you down, and you can bet your sweet bippy they know how to use their guns. Some of the sneakier roguish types can evade them, but they do travel in pairs because hell if they're gonna take any chances against the action economy in this world.

Consider then that coming out of basic training, the average male needs to pass a test during which they must be able to perform, in sequence, ~40 pushups in 2 minutes, ~50 sit-ups in 2 minutes, and then run two miles in under 17 minutes, pretty much back to back.

This is in addition to actual skills learned. While most civilians can go to a shooting range and hit a target with a gun pretty well given half an hour of safety training, by comparison, basic training involves multiple hours per day of gun training for 6-8 weeks.

This is for army basic training, your basic-bitch grunt shooty boys, this isn't even the elite marine training or anything which would almost certainly be even higher levels of fighter!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

With literally zero XP you would never have won a fight against anything or learned a single lesson.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Or play Exalted, initial Chargen gives you an initial badass.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I still maintain DND is kind of a bad first rpg. It's extremely idiosyncratic in its rules, and it's also a dream crusher that squeezes the creativity out of new players.

More people would be happy with Fate.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That'd do it. White Wolf's Scion will do it too. Or Eclipse Phase..., really, there's a lot of systems where you start off as a badass.

None of those systems we've named have levels, though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm still traumatized from the crit fail I rolled during a campaign five years ago.

I was playing a gunslinger, and made an admittedly foolish attempt to shoot a vermin crawling near my foot. I rolled a 1, and the DM ruled that meant I shot myself in the foot. I couldn't really argue with that outcome, but it was hard to come back from that. It was a harsh post-apocalyptic setting, which meant that the other characters were obliged to rib me for it incessantly, and my character could never seem to redeem himself afterwards.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I hate fumbles I hate fumbles I hate fumbles.

No, my basically competent character does not shoot themselves 5% of the time when they make an attack.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

To be fair, if I was aiming literally anywhere else but down at a rat crawling over my foot, it probably would have been a misfire or a bad ricochet.

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