Hey! it will be great to have a proper alternative for the companies that are on CentOS. I take that as good news!
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Alma and Rocky have been around for a while already. Most people I know moved over to those after Centos went EOL. Not sure what Suse will do that these don't already do.
Alma and Rocky depend on the publicly available source code for RHEL. Red Hat decided to close source except to paying customers. https://www.theregister.com/2023/06/23/red_hat_centos_move/
From the announcement: the will cooperate with Rocky and others to have a common rhel compatible fork
Interesting. The place I work at mostly use RHEL, with Rocky as an option for customers not wanting to pay for RHEL support. Will look into Suse's offering once it arrives.
curious as to what they’d call it.
If they don't call it Green Lizard Enterprise Linux I'll be disappointed.
GLEL
Sounds like a noise a lizard could make
a german lizard, anyway
Green Hat Enterprise Linux
Luigi Linux
Green Tail EL
New Hat Linux
SUSE-Powered Enterprise Linux. Tagline: It spells SPEL.
They announced something similar back in 2020 with a working title of "Liberty Linux", so maybe that.
Am I the only one old enough to remember the 2006 deal between Microsoft and Novell? Now Red Hat is on the hot seat with everyone blaming and hating, I remember when Novell was in similar position in terms of community feeling betrayed.
SUSE does not belong to Novell anymore.
Aged like milk with nowadays news about SUSE turning private again...
There have been several acquisitions in the meantime, that's true, but remembering the past helps not to be fooled again.
Maybe it does, but since it's not the same entity and SUSE now has full autonomy, it might be better to be cautiously confident? It's my stand anyhow.
More choice is good.
Suse are a decent company (despite some history under different owners) with some excellent engineers who already support foss projects like Uyuni. I don't know much about their new CEO but this might be a pivotal point in their history.
Redhat are proving themselves unpredictable, and that's about the worst thing any company wants to work with. No good having a stable product if the organisation itself is erratic and makes bad decisions.
And another one...
https://lemmy.ml/post/1956845
That said gives such a confidence on their promises that they have to add this statement at the end
"Forward-Looking Statements
Any statements in this press release about future expectations, plans and prospects for the company, including statements containing the words “aims,” “targets,” “will,” “believes,” “anticipates,” “plans,” “expects,” and similar expressions, may constitute forward-looking statements and should be read with caution. Actual results may differ materially from those indicated by such forward-looking statements as a result of various important factors, including competitive landscape, development of customer deals, reliance upon customer relationships, management of growth and acquisitions, the possibility of undetected software issues, the risks of impacts of the Covid-19 pandemic and economic downturns, pricing pressures and the viability of the Internet. In addition, any forward-looking statements included herein represent views as of the date of this press release and these views could change. The Company does not have any obligation to update its forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are subject to change and should not be relied upon as representing the Company’s views as of any date other than the date of this press release"
Lol Ok suse we trust you bro
Hmm i hope, especially with them mentioning cov19, that this is only the standard boilerplate legal defense stuff. It would make sense to not have the whole company going down if this side project fails
They do have exactly the same on their other news posts.
I really have no idea whether Suse is trustworthy here, but that kind of boilerplate seems common for publicly traded companies.
Why rhel/cent os is such a big deal? Cant ppl just use Debian / Ubuntu / alpine?
RHEL gets enterprise support from RedHat / IBM.
Point is, if you work for some big corp, when you buy something, you want proper warranties meaning people to blame if it breaks down. I have seen corps want to pay for stuff available free just so they can point at someone if there's a problem. Ubuntu is mostly fine, Canonical does offer support, but "nobody ever got fired for choosing IBM".
The enterprise support also means security updates, which is a huge requirement for government contract work (not just US, anything military really). I've also seen requirements for use of DISA approved products. I think at the time RHEL and maybe SUSE were the only ones on the list - I'm a few years removed from having to care about this.
Switching is not always trivial.
I have a huge build that only works on EL7. It will take months of focused effort to unfuck that build code.
EOL of version 7 is next year in June, you got a nice pile of work here!
Thanks for the answers I learnt something new :)
Professional applications (e.g. CAD,...) generally don't support many distributions. In my field, RHEL and SLES are widely supported and a few tools also support Ubuntu.
We've got over two hundred Rocky/Centos vms. all of them 'pets' that would require manual migration of lots of very different services, many of them bespoke. That's quite a lot of work.
SUSE Rockys!
Good guy SUSE
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