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The reality of Big Tech's 'fake work' problem - Inside the perverse system of 'lazy management' that's destroying the tech industry (www.businessinsider.com)

submitted 2 years ago by L4s to c/technology

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Tech executives and investors have claimed that loafing employees are dragging down companies. But experts say the real problem is "lazy management."

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 years ago

I'd say it's lazy and incompetent management, i.e the #techbros and people that have failed upwards.

[–] luthis 36 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Louis Rossman just made a video about exactly this!

Companies are basically paying staff to do nothing and not work for a competitor

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago

So basically Hooli from Silicon Valley?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Seems interesting but that link didn’t take me to a video

[–] noob_pointer 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

here’s the original video by Louis Rossmann: https://youtu.be/waLMfXLBBlQ

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

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[+] Chathtiu -8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

To the guys at the top, it’s always the bottom folks who are lazy. To the guys on the bottom, it’s always the top folks who are lazy.

[–] rockSlayer 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The guys on the bottom do all of the work, even if there are a few people slacking off.

[–] FleaCatcher 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm an engineering manager, started from the bottom now I'm here. Really, went junior dev / qa - dev - senior - staff then software architect then technical manager. Management is as hard as coding, but in a different way. Just because someone is not smashing their mechanical keyboards 8 hours per day doesn't mean they're lazy.

[–] Chathtiu 1 points 2 years ago

I'm an engineering manager, started from the bottom now I'm here. Really, went junior dev / qa - dev - senior - staff then software architect then technical manager. Management is as hard as coding, but in a different way. Just because someone is not smashing their mechanical keyboards 8 hours per day doesn't mean they're lazy.

Thanks for your perspective. My career has followed a similar trajectory to yours, albeit in a completely different industry.

I’m getting tired of the short sighted version of antiwork which says only the worker drones have merit.

[+] Chathtiu -6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The guys on the bottom do all of the work, even if there are a few people slacking off.

No, the guys on the bottom do much of the work. The guys on the top also do quite a bit of mission critical work, but in an entirely different venue.

Some on the bottom will slack off, just like some on the top will slack off.

[–] rockSlayer 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Let's put it this way then. All of management could take a month off, and very little would be affected. If all the workers go on strike for a month, not a single thing would get done.

[–] ttr 2 points 2 years ago

I won't pretend to know your situation, but this feels wrong.

Unless your management team is full of nepotism hires or bad fits that haven't sorted themselves out yet, it's full of people that were in your shoes.

Re: The Bottom - YOU may be an exception, but most people on the bottom lack the confidence or sometimes critical thinking skills to deal with unexpected issues tactfully. That's important if you want to make payroll.

If you are the exception, I preemptively congratulate you on your forthcoming promotion. :)

Signed, Fellow Bottom-Dweller

[–] Chathtiu -3 points 2 years ago

Let's put it this way then. All of management could take a month off, and very little would be affected. If all the workers go on strike for a month, not a single thing would get done.

Again, I disagree. Plenty would not happen if all of management disappeared, just like plenty would not happen if all of workers disappeared.

Look, I get it. We all hate managers and the C suite. But pretending like these roles are aren’t vital is detrimental.