How inhumane should the system be? US-American conservatives - yes!
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How inhumane should the system be? ~~US-American~~ conservatives - yes!
In the present research (N = 675), we focus on the relationship between the dark side of human personality and political orientation and extremism, respectively, in the course of a presidential election where the two candidates represent either left-wing or right-wing political policies. Narcissism, Machiavellianism, psychopathy, and everyday sadism were associated with right-wing political orientation, whereas narcissism and psychopathy were associated with political extremism. Moreover, the relationships between personality and right-wing political orientation and extremism, respectively, were relatively independent from each other.
We found eleven significant correlations between conservative [Moral Intuition Survey] judgments and the Dark Triad – all at significance level of p<.00001 – and no significant correlations between liberal [Moral Intuition Survey] judgments and the Dark Triad. We believe that these results raise provocative moral questions about the personality bases of moral judgments. In particular, we propose that because the Short-D3 measures three “dark and antisocial” personality traits, our results raise some prima facie worries about the moral justification of some conservative moral judgments
I would be very cautious to use this argumentation line against your political opponents. To want things to stay the same, seems at least to me to be part of human experience and core of conservative ideology. While to condemn you political opponent through bio-determinism has not played out well in the past.
How are those studies "bio-determinism" in any way, shape, or form?
Correlating political ideologies with psychological traits, especially with negative psychological traits. Progressives have been quite often on the other side of that argumentation (stereotyped as lazy hippies or naive tree hugers ). Stereotyping your opponent does not really help anyone since in a democracy we rely on compromise or conses.
Right, and when progressives were on the other side of that argumentation, it was all utter bullshit.
I just don't understand how you can both bemoan how conservative policis are cruel and then think that studies showing they have more dark triad/tetrad personality traits are somehow "determinist."
There's a reason why conservative policies are often so inhumane. You can't just pretend these results aren't there
You have a very US-American centrist view. European conservatives will sometimes be to the left of US-Democrats. Conservatism is relative to the society, it wants to generally preserve things how they are (again, very basic human experience if you ask me) - just happens that in the USA things rather suck for quite a lot of people.
You have a very US-American centrist view.
That's pretty funny considering I'm a Nordic socialist.
European conservatives will sometimes be to the left of US-Democrats
May well be but it's not the case where I live. We have multiple literal neo-Nazis in parliament, courtesy of – drumroll please – a fucking conservative party. None of the conservative parties currently in our government are in any fucking way left of center, or even left of the US Democrats.
Also, none of this is an actual argument for your position on why those studies are "bio-determinist" and why acknowledging the results is somehow harmful, you're just deflecting the argument onto me
That’s pretty funny considering I’m a Nordic socialist.
Funny indeed, but can happen to the best of us.
May well be but it’s not the case where I live. We have multiple literal neo-Nazis in parliament, courtesy of – drumroll please – a fucking conservative party
So in your opinion conservatism is not a valid political ideology? Or what is your conclusion. Since conservatives are part of our society and always will be and in a democracy we have to work with them.
So in your opinion conservatism is not a valid political ideology?
Where the hell did I say anything of the sort? If you can't at least try to argue in good faith I really don't see what the point is here – so far you've just managed vague claims about "bio-determinism", an equally nebulous ad hominem about how I'm very "US centrist", and this fucking fantastic leap of reasoning
If that's your impression of our conversation, than I'm sorry for bothering you and leave you alone since it was not my intention.
Where the hell did I say anything of the sort?
For me it seems like a consequence of ascribing a specific negative psychological traits to your political opponents. But than again maybe I misunderstood the point of you quoting the studies.
it wants to generally preserve things how they are (again, very basic human experience if you ask me)
No, that's a lie conservatives tell. In reality, conservatism is about preferring hierarchy to egalitarianism. If the hierarchy already exists they try to perpetuate it, which is why it often seems like they want to preserve things as they are, but it's for damn sure that if the hierarchy didn't exist they would absolutely be trying to create it.
So you don't think that there are people who just want to things stay as they are? I would not disagree with you that "preferring hierarchy to egalitarianism" is part of especially more extrem versions of conservatism, but I would disagree to reduce conservatism as a whole to this. Seems way to oversimplifying.
This is just beyond terrible.