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Correlating political ideologies with psychological traits, especially with negative psychological traits. Progressives have been quite often on the other side of that argumentation (stereotyped as lazy hippies or naive tree hugers ). Stereotyping your opponent does not really help anyone since in a democracy we rely on compromise or conses.
Right, and when progressives were on the other side of that argumentation, it was all utter bullshit.
I just don't understand how you can both bemoan how conservative policis are cruel and then think that studies showing they have more dark triad/tetrad personality traits are somehow "determinist."
There's a reason why conservative policies are often so inhumane. You can't just pretend these results aren't there
You have a very US-American centrist view. European conservatives will sometimes be to the left of US-Democrats. Conservatism is relative to the society, it wants to generally preserve things how they are (again, very basic human experience if you ask me) - just happens that in the USA things rather suck for quite a lot of people.
That's pretty funny considering I'm a Nordic socialist.
May well be but it's not the case where I live. We have multiple literal neo-Nazis in parliament, courtesy of – drumroll please – a fucking conservative party. None of the conservative parties currently in our government are in any fucking way left of center, or even left of the US Democrats.
Also, none of this is an actual argument for your position on why those studies are "bio-determinist" and why acknowledging the results is somehow harmful, you're just deflecting the argument onto me
Funny indeed, but can happen to the best of us.
So in your opinion conservatism is not a valid political ideology? Or what is your conclusion. Since conservatives are part of our society and always will be and in a democracy we have to work with them.
Where the hell did I say anything of the sort? If you can't at least try to argue in good faith I really don't see what the point is here – so far you've just managed vague claims about "bio-determinism", an equally nebulous ad hominem about how I'm very "US centrist", and this fucking fantastic leap of reasoning
If that's your impression of our conversation, than I'm sorry for bothering you and leave you alone since it was not my intention.
For me it seems like a consequence of ascribing a specific negative psychological traits to your political opponents. But than again maybe I misunderstood the point of you quoting the studies.
No, that's a lie conservatives tell. In reality, conservatism is about preferring hierarchy to egalitarianism. If the hierarchy already exists they try to perpetuate it, which is why it often seems like they want to preserve things as they are, but it's for damn sure that if the hierarchy didn't exist they would absolutely be trying to create it.
So you don't think that there are people who just want to things stay as they are? I would not disagree with you that "preferring hierarchy to egalitarianism" is part of especially more extrem versions of conservatism, but I would disagree to reduce conservatism as a whole to this. Seems way to oversimplifying.
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