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Hexbear is far more likely to have users entering and using our comms, being another large socialist instance, albeit dedicated to left unity rather than Marxism like ourselves. I think there is enough of a culture change that we need to have a pinned post for hexbear users coming here explaining what kind of content/attitudes they might see here/what different rules to follow

There should also be a section dedicated to explaining to lemmygrad users to respect hexbear comm rules and what to expect from their users etc.

I think this would help ease any potential cross site struggle sessions

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (20 children)

We really need an automoderator bot that posts at the top of all theads (and which community mods can customize a little) which reminds people (hexbear users and liberals from other instances) that this is an explicitly Marxist (communist) instance (no left unity), anti-communism (good faith questions allowed), bigotry, etc won't be tolerated.

Many people use mobile apps. On them you don't see community statements or rules before you enter a place so that's only going to be more of a problem but I understand admins are bogged down with fixing actually broken things and critical infrastructure. Just something I hope they can get to if that ever lets up (or maybe instance admins could do).

That kind of thing.

I don't mind them. I even have an account there but sometimes I need a break from that kind of atmosphere, so I hope we retain the culture of this place because they outnumber us and if anyone is going to impose anyone's culture on anyone it will be them on us via sheer user count and the fact many of them never log off (their joke).

I worry that if we let them they'll turn part of this place into a shitposting instance devoid of theory or serious discussion and bankrupted of serious Marxism in favor of compatible-leftism that viciously attacks core Marxist principles upheld by all AES nations in favor of idealistic, "compromise" anarchist/western thinking.

They're anti-imperialism. Have a good line on imperialism and being anti-NATO, US, and against the synthetic-CIA-left but that's about where it ends. Many of them hold idealistic, vulgar, even occasionally viciously counter-revolutionary opinions/lines. All sugar-coated naturally in getting along and good vibes.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

We really need an automoderator bot that posts at the top of all theads.

You know I was just looking at the auto moderator GitHub page, and thinking, I wonder how hard it would be to convert the API calls to Lemmy from reddit.

I think the OG automod used the wiki for configuration. Not sure how to get around that since Lemmy has no wiki.

Probably would need to be configured as a community bot first and then figure out how to expand it into a instance level bot.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is great news.

I hope everyone sees the potential benefits of a united front of left shitposters in the lemmyverse, exposing people to ideas they'd never see on reddit.

Struggle sessions over our differences will be inevitable, but I encourage people to be cool and nice to the hexbears, especially over the contentious topics we hold with them.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Glad to see it's admin approved :)

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Is there a specific date of when they will federate with us that I'm not aware of? Because I don't see anything other than "soon(tm)".

Also there are a lot of people in that thread who don't seem to understand what lemmy/federation even is or how it works. Despite how worrisome some of their users and rules can be (CW on meat and milk products? That has to be ironic, right?) I'll still welcome all Hexbears if they follow the rules. I look forward to the day where our communities can finally interact with each other zoidberg salute lemmygrad flag hexbear

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

We will be featuring the discussion post for about a week and then deciding. With a tentative federation for next week or possibly the week after next, preceded by a post explaining federation and proper etiquette for interacting with other instances.

Using the image obscure for pictures of meat and dairy and including a CW is done out of respect for our vegan comrades, and in our opinion takes no actual effort to show respect.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It’s not ironic, the admins invited a vegan circlejerk subreddit and started enforcing the party line that “animal liberation is a crucial component of revolutionary praxis” or something like that.

It still causes struggle sessions.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think animal liberation should be something that every respectable communist party should support. I'm not a vegan, but I do have vegan sympathies. I'm hopeful that in a future socialist society, there would be enough financing and technological development to have made farming animals seem barbaric and cruel by comparison, and where synthetic/lab-grown meat can become the main option for a majority of the population.

I think its a matter of when, not if. Or at the very least, I think slaughterhouses and farming can be made much more humane for the animals, since profit won't be a motivation, and only feeding people will be. No reason not to treat your food to be the equivalent of a luxury resort before you eventually peacefully harvest them.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I would agree wholeheartedly that current practices are industrialized torture.

I would also agree that in a better future it can be done humanely.

I even used to be vegan, so I’m not unsympathetic. They just weren’t sending their best to hexbear. literally a circlejerk subreddit 🤷

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The important thing is that we as communists must protect those who are opressed.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I was around for the original r/ChapoTrapHouse from which Hexbear eventually spawned. I posted regularly and spent a lot of time there. After they got banned from reddit, they were on discord for a while, where I became a regular poster in the trans channels, and there's some old bitterness between the entire trans community of that era and Hexbear, with 90% of us (the trans community) being banned for complaining about a moderator who was grooming in the subcommunity. On top of that, this moderator was put in place to moderate this community under the widespread assumption that he was trans, when he was actually cis. That mod was left in place (he was popular mod outside of the trans community) and I don't know if he's still there, but almost all of the trans community that wasn't banned left to join a splinter server. It was clear the moderation didn't give a shit about us (other than planting a spy in the our server and giving sudden bans to people who supported new administation in an upcoming leadership vote).

It's an ancient beef by now, but I deeply distrust them. If they want to come by with genuine apologies, sure, I'm in favor. ~~But I'm not holding my breath. It's no for me~~ (See below). And I hate to say it because I loved the shitposting and the good times we had

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

First off, I would like to apologize to you and the group of folks harmed, I am 90% sure the person you are referring to is no longer associated with the mod team. The current mod team of hexbear is majority trans and if you feel comfortable I would appreciate the chance to hear your grievances and any suggestions for the community going forward. I realize I cannot undo any of the previous damage but would like to move forward if there is any way to do so, otherwise thank you for speaking up and I wish you the best. (if you don't want me doing this publically, I can delete this)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah, publicly is fine. I posted publicly, after all. Hearing that guy is gone is encouraging, and that most of the mod team is trans is as well. You actually can undo some of the damage directed at me personally by checking your discord logs and reviewing my ban. Violated rules once, punished twice for it, many months apart. FWIW, the other lemmy members who are hexbear refugees that I've spoken to barely remember the details, so maybe it's all water under the bridge. I'll clear my no vote, because it sounds like leadership has changed hands and being cordial and soliciting criticism is the most I've gotten from any mod there in the past

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hexbear has split from the discord almost a year ago but i asked someone involved with the discord to look into it and they said you aren't banned. I don't want to publically state your discord name but if you wanna DM me it to be sure i can verify it was what my friend was searching for.

Just to be clear the one administrated by chloe and tanner right? The initial lifeboat discord?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just to say I'm one of the others who was around for that 'lifeboat' server and left at the same time. I don't recall if they banned me, or if I just left in disgust at how they were treating us, along with you know... having a gods damned groomer for a mod and trying to spin it as us being anti-furry bigots.

In any case, assuming those people are in fact gone then I'm whatever. Trying not to care about online drama so much now.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

I was never really involved with the discord server, don't care for the platform, but the people running it have been for the most part troublesome and problematic. I can assure you the current hexbear admin team has been either banned from that discord server or left for similar reasons as you.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow holy shit hadn’t heard about this in particular, sorry you had to deal with that comrade. Explains why there was so much struggle about trans people early on in hexbear, especially when it was named chapo.chat from what I can tell (wasn’t there for any of this, but I’ve seen several posts about it pop up when I’ve searched for other things)

for what it’s worth the strict moderation, pronoun tag and lack of downvotes seems to have mostly fixed it, although I’m not trans so I can’t say for certain

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Looking forward to Hexbear federation. I don't know much about Hexbear, but they seem decent, and I hope it will provide a counter-balance against the lib infestation that came over from reddit logo stormfront .

How much is Hexbear different from Lemmygrad?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

More joking around, high use of custom emotes, more arguments over frivolous things, and a commitment to left unity. It is dominated by Marxist-Leninists, but you're not supposed to attack anarchists basically. Everyone also has a pronoun flair, and there are content warnings on meat for vegans.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

The biggest part is probably site culture. Lemmygrad is a mixture of people who fled here from genzedong, the original people who started this place, and the newest influx of r*dditors. Hexbear came from when r/chapotraphouse banned, and I believe had several other of its own off site influxes). This obviously has led to different memes, posting cultures etc. I think an example of the site culture differences is that because Hexbear came from r/chapotraphouse, it's far more shiposty than lemmygrad. Not to say that we don't shitpost, or they don't effortpost, but our shitposts are mostly confined to comms like [email protected] etc. Their shitposts are also far more unhinged sometimes, I have seen some insane shit in hexbear even having only been there a month.

Another big part is the site rules (which also contributes to some of the site culutre differences). For instance, you can't shit on anarchists as hard or in the same way on hexbear as here, it will get you banned. There are no downvotes on hexbear, so as well as having more users than us they also have more struggle sessions in that the only way to express any disagreement is to leave a comment, here if you dislike a comment you can just downvote and move on (This is just my opinion and only part of it, there are other reasons they have more active comment threads).

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

To be honest, I don't think it will be an issue. Although the culture of posts on hexbear is different, I think it is pretty compatible. Maybe just mention things like that you should add CW even for meat/non-vegan products. But that is the only significant difference I can think of. Looking forward to having more comrades here.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I disagree a little, you cannot post the same things about anarchists in hexbear that you can here for instance, they are far more shitposty, etc.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree on shitposting etc. that is what I meant by culture of post being different. But sure you cannot post anti-anarchist stuff on hexbear, but I doubt anyone here is going to post specifically on hexbear with anti-anarchist content, or at least I hope.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Not go there specifically to do that, but if someone from lemmygrad doesnt quite understand the differences between the two sites it could lead them starting arguments around it in hexbear comms etc. i don’t think this is super critical, it wouldn’t be a huge issue or anything, I just want the transition to be as smooth as possible, a lot of hexbear users are skeptical about federation and I think it would be nice for them

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Yeah I think this is a good idea. In a similar vein, it would be good to have a list of leftist fediverse instances with a brief explanation to make it easier to find like-minded instances, avoid anticommunist ones, and reduce pointless arguments.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Most instances block us? Then what's with the spate of traffic and dislikes? Some admins must've forgotten to do it I guess

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

? I didnt mention that kinda offtopic

regardless we’re still federated with lemmy.world, the biggest instance, and several other smaller instance, but we are indeed one of the most blocked instances

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nice I'll be able to use Hexbear again. Since they changed things a couple weeks ago I haven't been able to log back in. The threads and sign in page both buffer endlessly. Can reload page to fix threads but obviously doesn't work for logging in. Excited to be able to shit post in both lemmygrad and hexbear again.

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