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It’s not ironic, the admins invited a vegan circlejerk subreddit and started enforcing the party line that “animal liberation is a crucial component of revolutionary praxis” or something like that.
It still causes struggle sessions.
I think animal liberation should be something that every respectable communist party should support. I'm not a vegan, but I do have vegan sympathies. I'm hopeful that in a future socialist society, there would be enough financing and technological development to have made farming animals seem barbaric and cruel by comparison, and where synthetic/lab-grown meat can become the main option for a majority of the population.
I think its a matter of when, not if. Or at the very least, I think slaughterhouses and farming can be made much more humane for the animals, since profit won't be a motivation, and only feeding people will be. No reason not to treat your food to be the equivalent of a luxury resort before you eventually peacefully harvest them.
I would agree wholeheartedly that current practices are industrialized torture.
I would also agree that in a better future it can be done humanely.
I even used to be vegan, so I’m not unsympathetic. They just weren’t sending their best to hexbear. literally a circlejerk subreddit 🤷
What would you consider humane treatment to be in this hypothetical future?
Shouln't we also stop eating plants then? Even if they are fundamentally different beings and have a compleately different understanding of the world
Please don't parrot the tired talking point of equating sentient animals with plants. If you are pathologically predisposed to not being able to plant based food, just keep it to yourself instead of regurgitating bad faith arguments.
Well, we're already there but the majority of people still don't see it as barbaric. Some people have been vegan their whole lives, in perfect health, and reached peak athletic condition.
I believe it's more of a cultural problem, and a practice that's kept alive by our current superstructure. In France for example, eating cheese, saucisson, and foie gras is seen as an essential part of being French. Because of that, many people see "being vegan" as an attack on their identity, they don't think/care about the harm they are causing.
We have all the information available about animal suffering, environmental damage, livestock-related zoonoses, slaughter house workers PTSD incidence... but it's pretty complicated for people to change habits when they already made them a part of who they are, and have an emotional attachement to them.
I agree animal liberation should be supported, the same way charity should be supported. But not all good things are socialism, and socialism does not encompass all good things.
The bottom line for me is that animals cannot be my comrades the same way people can. They cannot organize and take action the same way people can. Animal liberation can only be accomplished after capitalism is defeated, and it's people, not animals, who will accomplish that. So how can I say animal liberation and worker liberation are equal priorities for socialists?
The important thing is that we as communists must protect those who are opressed.