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So I've realized that in conversations I'll use traditional terms for men as general terms for all genders, both singularly and for groups. I always mean it well, but I've been thinking that it's not as inclusive to women/trans people.

For example I would say:

"What's up guys?" "How's it going man?" "Good job, my dude!โ€ etc.

Replacing these terms with person, people, etc sounds awkward. Y'all works but sounds very southern US (nowhere near where I am located) so it sounds out of place.

So what are some better options?

Edit: thanks for all the answers peoples, I appreciate the honest ones and some of the funny ones.

The simplest approach is to just drop the usage of guys, man, etc. Folks for groups and mate for singular appeal to me when I do want to add one in between friends.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (12 children)

"Guys" is gender neutral already...

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[โ€“] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (4 children)
  • cousins

  • friends

  • y'all

  • neighbors

  • folks

  • party party people

  • fellow-travellers

and, of course

  • fam
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[โ€“] Agent641 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[โ€“] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

for singular use boo works, and plural you can say "hey, fuckos"

[โ€“] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[โ€“] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

English is sorely lacking a second person plural. Y'all fills that gap well and should be adopted over other regional suggestions such as the Jersey youse guys or the dreaded Philly... yinz.

I'd avoid using "dude" as I've heard this specifically as an example that bothered some women.

Y'all is great. I use it often in the North East and only one schmuck ever said anything about it.

Buddy works, but comes off kind of aggressive towards strangers, same with pal or pals, but that may be my own regional affectation showing off.

[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

"Buddy" elicits so many conflicting feelings in me.

Encino Man "buuuuudy"

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[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

Fellow bipedal meat-things.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (4 children)

You're asking about a collective and also a singular...

Just in general I'd say that if you're trying to quit a habit around trans women, go the extra mile and quit it around cis ones too. For the collective "hey guys" I have no one-word replacement ("folks/folx" sounds equally southern and somehow more cringe), but you could replace the whole phrase with "hey everybody", "hi gang", "how are you all", or just "hey".

When speaking to any woman, I would advise against calling them "dude" or "man." Full stop. No further thoughts necessary on that one.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

Is buddy really a problem?

I'd be more worried that someone thinks I'm treating them like a dog, than a man.

[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

Guys is 100% gender neutral.

Also, can't go wrong with the old standby "Stay Fresh, Cheesebags!"

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[โ€“] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

I bit the bullet and was the cringy person at work who said "peeps". After a few months of do this, it was amusing to see the word spread until my boss's boss started saying peeps in meetings.

[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

"What's up everypony?"

[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[โ€“] thorbot 12 points 8 months ago (3 children)
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[โ€“] 58008 12 points 8 months ago

My darlings, tell me everything.

[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Peeps

Note: You will sound like a tool if you say this.

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[โ€“] no_time_like_the 11 points 8 months ago

You could copy Scooby do and refer to the group of people as 'gang', 'team' works too

[โ€“] theywilleatthestars 11 points 8 months ago
[โ€“] kaffiene 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago
[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

My go-to is folks, but 1000 others have mentioned that already. So I will throw in "people".

"Hey people, how's it going?"

That works for me

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