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Bitwarden's app is about to get a lot prettier (www.androidpolice.com)

submitted 9 months ago by dantheclamman to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 9 months ago (2 children)

good, but please don't make it slower

[–] dantheclamman 64 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Running natively rather than on the xamarin/maui framework would hopefully mean it's more responsive. It is a bit sluggish to load right now

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

til it's on xamarin, i assumed it was slow to load due to the thousands of rounds of decryption

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Unless you've changed your vault encryption settings (which is not a bad idea!) it will likely decrypt rather quickly.
I changed mine to Argon2id with settings such that one iteration takes over one second (on a Ryzen 5800X3D, about the same on my phone), since I don't unlock it very often.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

It will be faster, because they are moving off Xamarin. Big win in all regards.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I'm happy with the current one, but sure.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago

It's a bullshit headline. The real benefit is quicker access to new, native features in the OS. So, for that reason, I'm happy they're making the move. But making it about how a utility product looks just seems... unimportant to me.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[+] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

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[–] victorz -1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

UI is basically considered UX. Bitwarden's app looks dated af and I have had strong doubts about committing to BW due to only that. It gives the impression that it is abandoned. Looks bad, basically. Not pretty. These things matter. It stands out among all my other modern looking apps, in a bad way.

[–] dantheclamman 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I've used Bitwarden because it's available everywhere I need it, including a good Firefox desktop extension. The only thing I worry about how they raised VC funds in 2022, and hope that doesn't lead to enshittification. Fortunately I'm prepared to switch to self-hosted alternatives if that's the case.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Vaultwarden 👍

[–] keyez 0 points 9 months ago

I wonder if they wouldn't have needed VC funding if all these vaultwarden users paid the small price for premium or an organization licenses.

[–] victorz 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I've used Bitwarden because it's available everywhere I need it

I mean that's true about Proton and several others too, right? Like Firefox itself, can fill passwords and sync them across devices. That's basically what I'm using for convenience. No extra app needed to store passwords.

Maybe that's unsafe? I dunno. I just haven't found something as convenient as that yet.

[–] dantheclamman 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, whatever floats your boat! Firefox password manager is fine, but I have some devices where I don't use Firefox, so I need cross-platform. Plus, Bitwarden can save other stuff securely like notes, and the features it has for secure password generation work very well.

[–] victorz 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Definitely am missing those other features. 🙂 That's why I've been browsing for a standalone password manager. Notes, cards, stuff like that. Password generation is readily available on Linux, or when using a sign-up form in Firefox with the proper input types. But it's not really very configurable in Firefox.

I'm really hopeful for Bitwarden now! I'm like split evenly between BW and Proton because it's also very ~~confident~~ convenient to have them in the same service, if I ever become a Proton customer, which I've been looking to possibly become some time in the future. So I'm really looking for pros and cons between them both. ⚖️

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I would definitely agree. I would say that UI and UX are pretty important in open source.

[–] victorz 1 points 8 months ago

You mean they are especially important in open source? Because I would say they're important for all users of all software. That's why the first word is "User" 😁

Or you mean also in open source? 👍

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Just because it doesn't look like it was made for old people with eyesight problems doesn't mean it's outdated.

[–] victorz 0 points 9 months ago

No, but it does because I was using Android when apps looked like this, and it was freaking ages ago. And it looks worse. Subjectively of course.

[–] deweydecibel 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Seriously, I'm getting tired of hearing people throw around words like dated and modern to describe what are just a different styles of app UI.

There's nothing wrong with how it looks now. As long as the new look doesn't hide actual features and options while wasting screen space, I'll be fine with it, but there was nothing wrong with how it is now.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Sometimes it's justified. If an app looks like it was designed for Windows 3.1, Android C, or god forbid Motif, it just screams "hasn't been maintained in decades", and it looks terrible.

But yeah, I don't have any aesthetic complaints with Bitwarden. It's neither pretty nor ugly, just functional.

[–] BurnedOliveTree 19 points 9 months ago

A native app, nice

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I switched to Bitwarden after 1Password moved to electron and booted selfhosters off the app and into their sub model. Jesus Christ is the current Bitwarden UI bad. It’s easily the worst looking application on my phone that isn’t a banking app; I’ve had zero issues with the functionality though.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah, so in typical modern day fashion get ready to lose functionality.

They often trade UX for "pretty" these days and I find most apps and websites horrible to use in comparison to 10+ years ago. Like everything has to be in a context menu for some reason now.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Material tends to be ugly as balls but if usability improves, that's great.

[–] dantheclamman 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I tend to think the modern material doesn't provide nearly as much opportunity to be colorful and provide a unique visual identity as the OG material did.

[–] TheDuffmaster 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Apps like Inbox were works art with the use ux to match

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Man I miss Inbox so much. It kept me so much more organized than Gmail ever has.

[–] victorz 5 points 9 months ago

I actually achieved ✨ Inbox Zero ✨ with Inbox, and I was a teaching assistant at the university with lots and lots of emails pouring in. The concept of emails as tasks, and the features revolving around that core idea made Inbox so powerful.

Nowadays my inbox just keeps filling at a pace higher than I have energy to deal with due to the poor UI.

What really helped me deal with lots of emails was the categorization and bundling. You could sweep a lot of messages that you didn't care about. You could deal with a lot of emails in a row pertaining to a particular topic, heavily reducing context switching, etc. One of the greatest apps Google decided to retire. It really did fit my mental model of email.

Spark is pretty good, but... It just isn't Inbox. Just isn't the same.

[–] op12 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's also flattening everything which to me was one of the more fun parts of the design with elevation and shadows inspired by layers of paper.

[–] dantheclamman 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

yes, many of these apps feel kind of lobotomized

[–] danielfgom 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Glad to hear. It needs it. But it needs more than that. The functionality is quite basic.

I use 1Password now that it's on Linux and it's fantastic. Way, way more categories to choose from and beautiful design as well as fast sync make it a pleasure to use. I wouldn't use anything else

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I use 1password and was considering switching to bitwarden or derivative. Perhaps to selfhost. What's beneficial about categorising logins? I wish 1password had a duplicate finder.

[–] danielfgom 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Having categories masks everything tidier and easier to find. If I'm looking for a Software licence key I saved, I search that category or Kik in there instead of looking through the entire database.

I don't like the Bitwarden model of dumping it all together and then having to search everything.

I'm old fashioned.

I don't think 1Password can be self hosted.

Do you mean find duplicate passwords or duplicate items? Doing a search will bring up all items so you will see duplicate entries and can delete them.

If I'm not mistaken there is the Watchtower functionality which shows you reused passwords - websites where you've used the same password each time (duplicates) and then you can use 1Password to generate new ones.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I just search everything, I'd like categories I guess but I never go into the list, just search everything. Duplicate items. When I moved from one version of 1P to the pay monthly it duplicated all of my entries so I had to manually remove them. Or a merge function or something.

[–] danielfgom 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ouch. That's harsh. Did you contact their support?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Yeah, the only recco is to downgrade to an older 1P, then run the duplicate finder in that, which didn't work, then upgrade again. After this thread I rechecked and it notes duplicates in the entry but there isn't a 'scan and merge all' thing so I did it manually. I must have missed a bunch when I did it manually last time.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Nice to see they are moving to native platforms. With this news they took away my only reason for switching to the shiny proton pass.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Mine used to look pretty OK but then one day it moved everything into a folder named ironically No Folder and because I kinda need the passwords pretty badly I don't want to try and risk fixing it.

[–] AProfessional 2 points 9 months ago

You can always download a copy for backup.

[–] Jackthelad 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Just need passkey support on mobile and we're all set.

(I don't know if the article mentions that, my adblocker prevents me from reading it)

[–] ByteMe 6 points 9 months ago

They said they are working on it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Good news!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Hopefully the UX improves. Last time I tried Bitwarden it was so much worse than 1 Password.