I cannot believe it's 2024 and another major company just announce tagging people based on their gender and sexuality to promote/demote certan groups.
Like if we didn't get our lessons with race bias already. Remember white-only toilets?
this post was submitted on 13 Feb 2024
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I work with an uber/lyft alternative called empower. They have had the option to match riders with same gender since day 1.
This isn't the problem you think it is. Many many women would feel better with another woman behind the wheel and if there are enough non binary or trans drivers to also pair them with riders that may feel safer with someone like them behind the wheel, this is a good thing.
I am often ashamed to be a guy with the stories I read and hear directly from my female customers about how some male drivers have treated them.
The only part of this that is ridiculous and an insult is to not include males in this as well (as empower does). Many people don't want to believe or face it but men can be victims too and some would likely prefer to know they are matched with a male driver.
To anyone who doubts what I said above. Find your nearest female acquaintance or family/friend who actively uses reddit, twitter, etc and ask them how many UNSOLICITED dick pics they have received from creeps. While you are at it, ask them about their or their female friends experiences when taking an uber or lyft. You may be as appalled as I am, if you aren't bothered by it, you might be the problem.
Feeling more safe with your own gender is something understandable. I also absolutely agree that woman are much more in the need of such feature. What I don't get and hate is targetting something that could be useful to anyone in need and slice it to work only for woman.
In the city I live there is a clinic that announced free medical help for people with risk or after heart attack. Those are not some support groups, you don't meet others and the clinic is mostly public funded for all. But they just decided to only offer this to woman, they advertise everywhere about free tests for woman. I asked some people from there and they have no idea why it is done that way, someone propably changed it and everyone accept it as ok.
Please reread my comment and stop looking for a reason to be irritated and pissed off. There is no reason not to have services targeted directly at woman in particular considering the current state of the world.
Having a clinic focusing on women is not the same thing as lyft allowing women and nb to match with same gender. This isn't lyft automatically segregating, it will (or should be) a filter when ordering a ride same as selecting xl or premium, black, etc.
I don't have a problem with women having their own space same as I have no problem with men having a space to be "guys", as long as it's not built on misogyny and other bullshit. And with the growing number of nb and trans I don't have problem with those various groups having their own space to feel welcome and not like an outsider. But just like the clinic, it's not the same as being able to filter for a driver you would feel more comfortable with.
Honestly this sounds like you looking for a reason to be pissed off. Please don't give yourself a heart attack.
Okey, would your opinion be the same if instead Lyft would announce Man+, an option for man to drive more frequently with man or non-binary? There are plenty of man who would feel safer having their own space.
I have no problem and won't ever rage at choice, but Lyft choices feels like treating woman as a minority:
- Switch off: man, woman, non-binary, trans, queer, ...
- Switch on: woman, non-binary, trans, queer, ...
Why woman are being put in this group, but man not? It's not like they too are almost half of the society, aren't they? Also, how can someone not feel excluded, when there is literally a switch to turn off him because of the gender?
That's not going to happen. You are looking for something to argue and be mad about.
Again. I'm betting you have no idea what women actually deal with and nb/trans/etc have it even worse. Just like people being offended by speedy gonzales and friends on behalf of Mexicans, I don't think most women would consider this making them a minority. It's also clear that you have no idea how this feature actually functions. First off learn the meanings of words because minority isn't the right term here. Maybe you mean infantilize which is also not accurate.
No men I know would be offended or would feel excluded by this. Mainly because some of us have an idea of what it's like for women who are dealing with a trauma from an abusive relationship, sexual assault, etc but also because we can't know when a rider picked that filter or any other. It's also because our manhood isn't so fragile as to be upset by this.
What about the people on empower who pick an xl or premium ride? I don't have a vehicle that matches that. Should I feel excluded because they didn't want to ride with me? What about the drivers who haven't had some riders add them as a favorite? Should they feel excluded despite not being able to know what every single person looking for a ride is using as a filter?
There is usually enough demand that for every "lost" ride because a woman filtered on gender, I'll have multiple others to choose from. This isn't the problem you think it is and you probably need to go outside and touch some grass.
Please also find the nearest woman and ask them how they feel about this and don't be offended on their behalf or decide for all women how they should feel about something. Especially when it's clear that you have never been in a relationship with a woman.
I'm finished here. It's clear that don't want to discuss in good faith and you just want to be mad about something that is only bad in your head.
Imagine what if you were talking to actually sexually abused person. He asks why as a man he cannot have such protective feature too and as reponse instead of any empathy from you got dry calculated explanation as if he didn't know about female being abused, with mixed ad hominem ended by "talk to a woman".
I'm just imagining a white passenger feeling safer with a white driver. Oh boy
Not the same thing at all and I doubt any ride service would implement that. Please stop looking for problems to get upset over.
What makes it different?
I doubt any ride service would implement that
I'd certainly hope so
Then why did you bring it up? It's nowhere near the same thing. Racism is a mental illness, feeling safer with another woman because you've been abused by all of the men in your family and friends is anything but and if you think that they are the same, you might be a schovanist and mysoginist and part of the problem.
I'm sure some have legitimate trauma behind their discrimination but I don't really see how it is different if it is towards their sex or their race in this instance. What is the concrete difference here?
Yep. You are part of the problem.
Bye bye now, you have a wonderful life.
I get the feeling you're avoiding the question
Sexism could also be considered a mental illness in the same vein?
Personally I want all of my drivers to be under 6'2" because everyone who has ever dunked on me at basketball has been around that height or taller. /Sarcasm
Are you also part of the problem? Preferring a female driver because you have been abused by men is not sexism. If you truly believe it's the same thing, then congratulations, you are part of the reason why women need a safe space.
I guess that does make sense as long as you allow men to also choose female only drivers in the same vein. Similar to how hooters is allowed to have a female only waitstaff. I concede it is a valuable space for a peace of mind if you want that option. It is projecting though to want to segregate from entirely a whole class of society, but if that works best for the person I'm supportive.
Damn, son. Do a better job pretending not to be part of the problem.
You're either a troll (a bad one) or some new combination of incel and men's rights and I'm not going to waste my time even copying/pasting what I've already written in other comments.
You have a wonderful life now. And feel proud that you are part of the problem. I'm sure your mother, aunts, grandma's, etc would be extremely proud of you.
And keep gatekeeping allyism without ever fully explaining the point behind your criticisms. Take care
I guess it's empowering when done this way. It does sound really sketchy
Im going to say this as nicely as possible, comparing this to white only toilets is not cool... its a little racist. Using poc's actual historical oppression like a prop to express your distaste for safe spaces for women and nb people is just not a great vibe.
I have no distaste for making safe spaces for woman and non-binary. What I have is distaste for deliberately making safe spaces only for woman and non-binary, where there is no cost making it for everyone.
Lyft could do a switch saying "match my gender", but they went making basically "match anything other than man" just diffrently phrased. And this is sexists and really disgusting.
Many can feel exluded by that, why wouldn't they? Personally I am never going to drive Lyft again, there should be no place for sexism of any kind in 2024 especially when we talk about strict corporate and mass decisions.
Ignore them. They don't realize that they are being the problem they are railing against by deciding for all women everywhere what they should be bothered and offended by. I don't think this guy has ever met a woman that wasn't related by blood and probably has never talked to any woman about how they are treated by drivers, random creeps online, random creeps around town, etc
You are right. Comparing this to segregation insults the many many many men and women of all races that fought for fair treatment. It also insults all of the woman and men that have fought for women's rights and liberation.
- Why this safery feature is only for woman when it can be for anyone in need?
- Look, he don't want woman to be safe, he... [continue with attacks on his "manhood"]
Really, if I am the problem here, why am I the one not using ad hominem. I have nothing against safety features for woman and I will fight for them. I just want those 10% of sexual abuse victims who are man to feel safe too and stop pretending they don't exists, that's all.
I know this is a small part of the feature; but it is the small part that offends me, and I see it all the time, so I am going to complain about it here.
Can we please stop saying "women and nonbinary" when we mean (charitably) "fem presenting people"; or (non charitably) "women and people who are actually women, but call themselves non-binary to be cool".
Most people using this feature will not be happy getting matched with a masc presenting person. And the insinuation that non-binary is a type of women is common, offensive to afab enbys, and erasing to amab enbies.
Todd Chavez and Mr Peanutbutter are really raking in the money...
I expect this to end up pretty much the same way.
Exactly what I thought too.
Lyft will have the most non-binary workforce in the world if this takes off.
Empower has had same gender matching since they launched. This is lyft taking their sweet time copying them and the other services that have popped up to make life better for both drivers and riders. Uber and lyft started showing drivers upfront info 3+ years after empower had already been around.
This is definitely a good thing but I'm not ready to say that lyft has changed their tune or their direction. They still pay drivers shit, treat them like shit and they make uber look good and uber is anything but.