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Gov. Spencer Cox denounced the official, Utah State School Board member Natalie Cline, saying she has embarrassed the state.

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[–] WaxedWookie 13 points 10 months ago

Brought to you by the people incessantly whining they're the victims of a witch hunt.

[–] Tolstoshev 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Seems like a pretty straightforward libel lawsuit. The victim clearly suffered damage to her reputation and bullying.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Just to be clear, by damage to reputation you do mean the negative attention and not the possibility of being transgender, right?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The best part of libel/slander/defamation is that you do not have to believe that the comments are negative. You just have to prove that 1) the person making the statement intended to harm you and 2) that you suffered harm as a result, and 3) that the statement is false.

There's some more nuance on a case by case basis, but like Tolstoshev said, this seems pretty cut and dry. Even if the majority have no issues with trans people, there are some - and this official was speaking to them with the intent to negatively impact this person.

[–] Tolstoshev 2 points 10 months ago

Thank you for clarifying that. The statement was clearly made with malicious intent, even though there is absolutely nothing wrong with being trans.

[–] Tolstoshev 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I’m not saying being accused of being transgender in and of itself is bad, but siccing your followers on someone for harassment is the issue. Being trans isn’t something negative, I’ve got many trans friends and my niece just recently came out. Fortunately all of my family feels the same way so she is supported and everyone uses her new name and pronouns, the way every trans person deserves.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That is great to hear! I was hoping that was the case and hoped that asking would head off someone assuming the opposite.

While I do not have any trans friends, that is due to having the same few friends for decades as I'm not very outgoing.

[–] Tolstoshev 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well one of them could surprise you :) Two of my trans friends were well into adulthood before they transitioned. I’m happy to report that they are both doing well and are outspoken activists!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I'm sure that I have met and interacted with one or more people who are trans, as I have known enough people to be statistical likely.

an few literally, we are in our 40s and and openly positive about accepting differences including LGBTQ+ folks so odds are it would have come up by now.

[–] Baines 4 points 10 months ago

because it would be less embarrassing if it she wasn’t wrong?