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[–] Andonyx 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Their premise is correct, but isn't he being accused as a Producer? Because they're not experts either, but they are in charge of hiring them, and on-set safety in general.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but I'm not sure the charge will stick if due diligence was done, or it shouldn't anyway. Even then, it looks like it would be a civil liability rather than criminal. But maybe the DA has info that isn't public yet. I doubt they're dumb enough to go after a charge with no evidence.

But I still don't see a jury being hard to convince into reasonable doubt.

[–] JustAManOnAToilet 6 points 1 year ago

Sure, but refusing to participate in safety meetings and finally when pressed into one being on the phone plus accepting a firearm from the AD instead of the armorer equals negligence. Not to mention he's the producer that's on set day in, day out on a film with mass walkoffs due to safety conditions.

[–] Wermhatswormhat 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah the article doesn’t do a good job at explaining that. I feel for the guy, this is horrible, but he wasn’t just a performer, he was a producer.

Edit: meant to reply to andonyx

[–] DharkStare 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Does that matter that he was also a producer? The producer isn't supposed to be a firearms expert either.

[–] MimicJar 2 points 1 year ago

No, but if Baldwin knowingly hired someone dangerous, that could be an issue. Of course there are 6 other named producers on the film. Plus a bunch of production companies. And directors. And a bunch of other people who are probably much more responsible.

It's unlikely Baldwin made any decisions with regards to the guns that appeared on set, but of course we'll have to wait and see.

[–] Wermhatswormhat 0 points 1 year ago

I’m no expert, but I do think it does, yes. They are the ones in charge of correctly hiring the armorer. It’s one of the things that the higher up person would also be held liable. Again, no expert, this is just what I’ve heard around this situation.

[–] BigSadDad -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Sure. But it doesn't take an expert to know that you don't point a firearm at someone and pull the trigger as a joke.

"I thought it was empty!"

"I Thought it was loaded with blanks!"

"I only looked at my phone for a second and didn't see the cyclist!"

Same excuses.

[–] MimicJar 2 points 1 year ago

To clarify, since you're just making things up, per https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/24/arts/baldwin-shooting-details.html

"Alec Baldwin was rehearsing a scene that involved pointing a revolver “towards the camera lens” when the gun — which the crew had been told did not contain live rounds — suddenly went off and killed the cinematographer"

He wasn't waving it around as a joke, he was rehersing a scene.

Now there is dispute that Baldwin pulled the trigger. He says he didn't, an analysis of the situation says he must have, but if that is important or not is up to the trial.

By all accounts Alec Baldwin the actor was involved in a tragic accident.

There is still possibility the Alec Baldwin the producer is culpable. It's going to be much harder to prove, but it's a possibility.