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[–] rayyy 73 points 7 months ago (42 children)

Without a Palestinian state and a multi-national presence to enforce it there will never be peace. The motive for attacks will remain.

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[–] maness300 26 points 7 months ago (70 children)

Imagine how much better the world would be if Jews migrated to the US instead of directly in the middle of people who hate them the most.

Zionism is a plague that is responsible for untold damage.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I mean that kind of happened already. There's a reason why the United States has the second highest Jewish population in the world, less only than Israel and not by much. Rampant anti semitisim in Europe among other reasons drove many to emigrate to the US. Between 1880 and 1914 alone, 2 million Ashkenazi Jewish people immigrated to the United States to escape ethnic cleansing pogroms in Eastern Europe.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_United_States

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[–] hark 22 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Israel doesn't give a shit. They were only interested in normalizing relations with Saudi Arabia to keep them away and deal with them later. Now that they've ripped their masks off and kicked the ethnic cleansing process into high gear, there's no point in normalizing relations. If Saudi Arabia has a problem with it, they'll be "regime changed". We've hit a point of no return.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

If the west was going to regime change Saudi Arabia they would have done it after 9/11, which was planned financed and perpetrated by Saudis. We invaded Afghanistan and Iraq instead, two enemies of Saudi Arabia that had nothing to do with it. Israeli and Saudi dick are equally down America's throat and I honestly don't know which one NATO would side with.

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[–] Doorbook 7 points 7 months ago (11 children)

To change the saudi "regime" you have to change the society itself because it is a tribal society. It will take at least one or two more generation to create any fundamental change in the kingdom.

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[–] steakmeout 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's terrible that they're the ones on the right side of history on this. It shows how low the US is willing to go to protect its ME interests. Literally morally lower than Saudi.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

It's kinda unusual for Saudi Arabia to stick up for Palestinians, isn't it? Am I wrong about that?

ETA: After a little reading, it seems that I am wrong about that but "it's complicated."

[–] DigitalTraveler42 22 points 7 months ago (3 children)

SA has been working on a two-state solution for a while now, that was what Kushner was supposed to be working on during the Trump administration when he wound up getting a loan of $5 billion from the Saudis, however Qatar is the country where HAMAS leadership are hiding out.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago
[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Who cares? Saudis are a fundamentalist theocracy built on oil money

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Anyone who wants peace in the Near East as there's no way around the Saudis and their influence. They're a diplomatic heavyweight in general: Within the Arab world by tribal whatnot, elsewhere mostly fuelled by oil.

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[–] steakmeout 10 points 7 months ago

The Saudis are never on the right side of anything. They do not give a shit about Palestinians and they never did - this just how they attempt to be a thorn in the side of the US.

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