Private search engines. : privacy

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I used to run a private instance of SearXNG, but it wasn't for me. I don't really know exactly why.

I switched to Kagi now and I'm pretty happy with the results. However, there are some things to consider:

Kagi costs money
They claim to be privacy-friendly and that they don't build a profile of you
There's no proof on that
There's no private way to pay, credit / debit card only
Like that, they could totally build a profile of you
They're US-based, so what happens when one of the 3-letter-agencies asks them for user data?

Anyway. I'm trying to be positive and I really hope that I'm funding something good here. So far, I really like it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

I have been using Kagi since before the price hike. It's like using Google without any clutter. Kagi is really helpful for my research because it's much easier to find and summarize a PDF directly from the search results.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I use DDG. I read here that start page had been taken over by an advertising company, and Brave always felt dodgy from day 1, weird crypto stuff ~~and I think the owners previous company may have sold users data~~.

I think DDG is the best we have right now.

[–] UnfortunateShort 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

and Brave always felt dodgy

You mean like DDG, which had multiple privacy whoopsies like allowing Microsoft to track you? Or (in contrast to Brave) is not even OSS?

I think the owners previous company may have sold users data.

You mean like the founder and CEO of DDG who build, ran and sold a social network?

Not saying "don't use DDG" or "Brave is the coolest!!!11", but be aware that you can use your arguements against Brave against DDG as well.

And if you're looking for a better alternative, I would say Ecosia is probably among the cleanest players out there. They only benefit Microsoft, because their service is built on Bing (as is DDG in part btw.).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Brave is OPENSOURCE 🤦‍♂️ And Ecosia does care more about the enviroment then your privacy. I prefer DDG or StartPage, or if you really wanna get sure, use somthing like SearXNG or LibreX.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Point taken on the founder running a social network. I incorrectly remembered it as the Brave owner. I stand corrected.

I think the complexity with DDG is they had a deal with MS because of Bing and I think some of the terms meant they had certain restrictions. They renegotiated that and it is no longer an issue.

You were comfortable with the whole BAT crypto nonsense? You're comfortable with Google dictating standards in their browser by using Chrome?

Trust is definitely hard in the search market :).

[–] UnfortunateShort 3 points 2 years ago

I'm 100% comfortable with BAT, because the (at least so declared) goal is ethical ad-blocking. And if you don't like it, you still don't have to use it. You can disable it completely and I appreciate them leaving you the choice.

I won't buy into it with actual money, but I do use it to donate to sites. Although I rarely use Brave tbh. I only have it in case some stupid website doesn't run properly on Firefox.

It's tempting tho. Brave is a way better and more versatile browser than Firefox is out of the box. I won't recommend Firefox to normies seeking better privacy for this simple reason. If I tell them to just install a bunch of addons, configure everything right and get used to a new UI, most will question whether they really want to switch right away.

Chromium is FOSS and Brave has already made strong claims about not merging anything Google pushes (e.g. in the recent extensions controversy). I have very little concerns regarding that.

[–] Cinnamon3431 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I've heard of Startpage (which appears to be a frontend for Google results), but I personally like Brave Search more (visually, also you have !bangs for quickly searching wikipedia, ddg or startpage when you need it). I heard ecosia should be private, buy I've been ciritical and didn't look into it yet, because its main focus appears to be planting trees.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Brave search results are good, way better than DDG's for me. Good work, Brave team!

[–] AlbyEvent 2 points 2 years ago

I've looked into ecosia and they store IPs for a week to "protect ourselves from spammers". They encrypt your searches, use Bing for results and ads, but they filter the "annoying" ones. I think they are pretty good overall.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wow I've been using Brave search for a while now and had no idea bangs were a thing. It'd be nice if there was more ways to showcase them visually to help discover this nifty feature

[–] Cinnamon3431 2 points 1 year ago

I came from ddg, so I just assumed / tried and they worked :D

[–] dragonrules 11 points 2 years ago

I use DuckDuckGo at home, but at work it’s blocked. I’ve argued for it to be unblocked but to no avail. I use Startpage at work because it appears to have the same results as Google but also lets you view images anonymously when possible.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Brave search because it is their search company that finds new ways to make users more anonymus, Brave is not a middle man for another company.

I don't recommend because they force users to verify when searching if Startpage detects a VPN or Tor.

Some will say SearX, a self hosted search engine, the issue with SearX is the search results can be irrelevent or something random. I support it but I don't use it due to not consistently being relevent to my search or not informative.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

SearX instances also get blocked from other search engines a lot.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Oh, I was not aware of that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

the issue with SearX is the search results can be irrelevent or something random.

Haha, oh, right! I just remembered that often times when I searched something completely harmless some weird porn sites would appear in the results which had clearly absolutely nothing to do with the things I've been searching for. It's one of the reasons why I stopped using SearX(NG).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You have to set SafeSearch at least to "moderate" to stop NSFW stuff appearing in your search. SearXNG only proxies what other engines feed to it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Well yea, I tried this once. It didn't eradicate all of the NSFW results, even on strict safe search mode. Anyway, I moved on. :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I modified my searxNG to basically look through the results for anything on a ban list and exclude those items. But out of the box its just pulling stuff from a bunch of unreliable sources. I think you have to do a lot of tuning by using their built in tools to add sites you want to index and get rid of stuff you don't. The cool thing is that you can fine tune it though.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Are you being serious? You're not mocking what I was saying?

I really want to like Searx but it's not helpful.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I am/was serious, yes. These were my experiences of using SearXNG for over 1.5 years. The project is great but it has some big flaws. Maybe give Whoogle a try. It's what I'm currently using.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

Kagi.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Searx/Whoogle. Both on farside.link.

Btw, you can do farside.link/whoogle/ in your bookmarks.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When it comes to search engines, I value not only privacy, but supporting independent indexes ans avoiding Google's monopoly.

Ddg is working in this aspect, so I consider them to be ok.

[–] AlbyEvent 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Don't they take search results from bing?

Edit: Correct me if I'm wrong

[–] EyesEyesBaby 6 points 2 years ago

They do, partially. Nowadays they have their own scraper too.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

Like already mentioned, they still do, in addition to other sources, but they're also developing their own index.

[–] styx 3 points 1 year ago

I host an instance of searxng and I am quite happy with it. It displays results of a combination of engines. If you want to spin up your own, I have a blog that explains how to do in basic steps : https://mustafacanyucel.com/blog/blog-13.html

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Go to https://searx.space and enjoy (one of these instances is mine).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

It depends on your goal.

If you just want privacy for your daily not-to-weird usage and ease in both in the sense of setting it up and in that of good results and that's it, DDG is probably fine for you.

I use Brave, simply because unlike most others, it has it's own crawler. For me it's results have been slightly better than DDG too, but I also hear people claim the opposite so I guess it really depends. DDG uses Bing's results, and many others are also more like privacy front-ends for Bing or Google. If you want to totaly leave Big Tech, be it to not help with their power or because of principle, that's likely the one that's the most easy with the best results that fits.

SearXNG is self hosted and less accurate, but the most privacy friendly and not attached to any company as you host your own instance, while with Brave you still rely on Brave's goodness. If you want total control, you want something like this.

I don't use anything else from Brave, and default search engines are easy to change, so I'm personally not too worried about Brave's power over me. I do preffer to stay away from Google and Microsoft, and only access them (prefferably trough privacy front-ends) if no other option works decent enough for me. I also prefer not to self-host due to the time and knowledge needed to do so securely. Well, I have knowledge, but I don't want to worry about those things for my peivaye stuff all the time. Hence the choice of Brave.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

It depends on your goal.

If you just want privacy for your daily not-to-weird usage and ease in both in the sense of setting it up and in that of good results and that's it, DDG is probably fine for you.

I use Brave, simply because unlike most others, it has it's own crawler. For me it's results have been slightly better than DDG too, but I also hear people claim the opposite so I guess it really depends. DDG uses Bing's results, and many others are also more like privacy front-ends for Bing or Google. If you want to totaly leave Big Tech, be it to not help with their power or because of principle, that's likely the one that's the most easy with the best results that fits.

SearXNG is self hosted and less accurate, but the most privacy friendly and not attached to any company as you host your own instance, while with Brave you still rely on Brave's goodness. If you want total control, you want something like this.

I don't use anything else from Brave, and default search engines are easy to change, so I'm personally not too worried about Brave's power over me. I do preffer to stay away from Google and Microsoft, and only access them (prefferably trough privacy front-ends) if no other option works decent enough for me. I also prefer not to self-host due to the time and knowledge needed to do so securely. Well, I have knowledge, but I don't want to worry about those things for my peivaye stuff all the time. Hence the choice of Brave.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I believe the reason for ddg in tor use may be related to an announcement they made about having an onion address available. So your searches don't go through an exit node.

My memory may be failing here and I haven't tested it, but thought I'd mention that

[–] eruchitanda 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Give Whoogle a try. Just choose an instance; or, you can combine it with Farside. This way it will choose the best instance for you.

[–] eruchitanda 1 points 2 years ago

I forgot to mention, it gives you Google results without tracking, or any ads.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can Farside be used for the browser search box or do you mean visit Farside as a one-time thing to find an instance?

[–] eruchitanda 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm not sure I'm following, so I'll answer the question for both of the ways I can interpret that question.

If you mean to use site: operator in your , I don't think you can.

You can use it to choose your instance once, but why not to always use it?

You can use it in the URL bar. Except the domain itself, the rest of the URL is remaining the same.

https://gооglе.соm/search?q=nyan%20cat would become https://farside.link/whoogle/search?q=nyan%20cat.

(You can do https://search.garudalinux.org/search?q=nyan%20cat, but Farside is fantastic.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Whoa that's awesome! Think this might be a better solution than LibRedirect for me.

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