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It's common knowledge that parents have experienced childhood at one point. Therefore, teenagers don't really say “you don't know what it's like”. (At least, I haven't heard it yet). But in this generation, parents haven't had the struggle of many things that kids are faced with today.

Adults never had to worry about phone addictions during class, because they had a flip phone at best. (I'm not great with this stuff, I may be wrong).

The adults also did not have to worry about their future regarding artificial intelligence. I see every job being taken by these guys. I'm not sure if it's a big point, but AI growth at this rate, is pretty scary, and their parents can not say grew up with this.

I feel like I'm forgetting something... One sec...

What about a global fufknig pandemic?

Even if you don't get sick, every kid in elementary, middle, and high school has been deprived of 2 years of essential human interaction. That much time alone had caused so depression globally.

As a cherry on top, have you ever heard someone say someone along the lines of “man, kids these days”. Anything that follows that is most of the time the parent's fault for not raising their kids properly.

So in addition to kids not being properly raised to do anything as an adult, we also don't know how to interact with other humans.

As the technology grows, we realize more and more what a messed up world we're in. With artificial intelligence killing us in every way, video becoming more accessible to reveal racist police, and our technological reliance killing our intelligence, I think it's safe to say that parents of this generation's kids have not had the experience that the kids had.

post ending: sorry about my citations, I wanted to back up my claims because I want sure about it. maybe that kills the “shower thought” part of shower thoughts.

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[–] redditcunts 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

As if you are the first kid who thought their parents can't learn, don't deal with the issues, and can't empathize 🤣.

I'm 40 and could explain to you how AI works and have a better model how it's going to affect kids lives.

This is peak I'm 14 nobody understands me meme in nutshell.

[–] nei7jc 1 points 1 year ago

I only said that parents haven't experienced what this generation has. Chill. :)

[–] blackbelt352 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not saying you're wrong because yes those are real problems your discussing and absolutely worthy of discussion. Mishandling how AI fits into society is going to be a major problem, the pandemic was a huge disruption globally, and devices designed to extract as much dopamine as possible are definitely targeting kids. These are valid problems of our day.

But (I'm assuming you are a teen), many people have experienced similar pervading fears in the past, in my lifetime I've gone through multiple economic crises, watched planes crash into multiple buildings on live TV in 3rd grade and watched our country split itself apart politically in real time recall the Y2K bug hysteria, and yeah even flip phones in my time were decried as addictive.

My parents lived through the looming threat of global nuclear conflict and the fear that commies have already secretly invaded and body snatched your neighbors and that "thuggish drug dealers" are on every corner waiting to give you drugs and get you addicted while the real drug dealers (tobacco companies) testified in front of congress that they weren't marketing to kids with their cool and edgy cartoon characters and that nicotine wasn't addictive.

Adults might not seem phased because most of us have been through global scale crises before. For some, yeah that stoicism is just callousness of a lifetime of unnecessary crisis. For others, it's a call to action to tackle a problem none of us can solve ourselves. Most parents, if they had the choice and power, wouldn't want their children to go through this kind of stuff, but we aren't the ones who hole the keys to power, that belongs to our "heavily sponsored" politicians. All we can do is just figure out the next few steps as they happen.

I'm not saying this to invalidate your fears, there is truth to them, but don't give up because of that fear. Learn about what causes that fear, understand it, and then fight to make sure others don't have to go through it. You're young, you have a good starting baseline of understanding about the world, far more than I did when I was a teen, you have a lot of time to expand that understanding, keep learning, and fight the good fight.

[–] nei7jc 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank you for this. Even through my pessimistic writing, I'm still an optimistic person. I'm still going to pursue my dreams, and I'm not too sure if ai is going to replace all jobs yet, anyways.

[–] blackbelt352 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well if it makes you feel any better there is a lawyer that used ChatGPT to write up legal documents is in some serious trouble for it.

[–] nei7jc 1 points 1 year ago

Thanks but I'm thinking about NFTs rn

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Isn't this broadly true of every generation that's sufficiently younger than its parents (25+ years ought to do it)? My parents didn't really understand what personal computers and console gaming systems meant to me growing up. Their parents probably didn't understand the impact television and mainframe computers meant to them growing up. (Each generation has had pretty massive global disruptions, too. World wars, smaller wars, terror attacks, and yes pandemics.)

So, yeah, their situation is unique, but so was ours. The best a parent can do is try to find the path forward with love and empathy and an eye toward the best achievable outcome for their kids. What kids hopefully come to understand is their parents are doing their best with limited information and other resources.

Edit: man I just went through some shit to post this. Somehow I was both logged out and logged in at the same time, so I couldn't post this comment. Also now if I tap in this text entry field it offers to bring up my stored passwords...

[–] SpaceNoodle 7 points 1 year ago

"You don't know what it's like," says teenager who doesn't know what it's like.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Kinda reminds me of growing up with the DC sniper in my neighborhood, witnessing 911 happen on a crt tv, and seeing a recession start as soon as I graduated high school.

[–] nei7jc 1 points 1 year ago

Oh, wow. Those were some notable events. I can't say I've experienced them, but the reason that I posted it was because of online schooling primarily. I just threw in others to back up my claim. After reading the comments, I realize that it's not nearly as bad as I one thought.

However, the current adults didn't have to go through online schooling, and ai is further in their future for them, so it's less of a worry.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Damn you think about a lot in the shower. You've even cited sources! How long are your showers??

[–] nei7jc 3 points 1 year ago

I thought of it in the shower.

Also citing sources takes like a minute. Here's an explanation on how.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know. While I do not want to downplay the pressure and uncertainty these kids experience (you missed climate change), there are common patterns that repeat:

  • job uncertainty has been seen in recessions before, globalization lead to cheaper labour that put people out of jobs (or gave new opportunities)
  • there was once a time of the constant threat of a nuclear war
  • 9/11 deeply cut into the feeling of safety of multiple generations

I feel the isolation is unique, for sure, but at the same time one can interact with others more freely than ever.

Things repeat, even the ancient Greek complained that the youth becomes stupider and uses language improperly etc.

[–] nei7jc 1 points 1 year ago

Good point. As an ancient Greek philosopher once said...

“As an A.I. language model, I can't agree with the lowering in telligence of children because it could be considered hurtful to them.”

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It’s a difficult generation to be in. Tougher than mine for sure. Today’s kids are the future, so I have high hopes that they will handle it. Including a hard push back against tech addiction.

[–] TheSmartDude 1 points 1 year ago

Where I'm from, the parents and children have led pretty similar lives. Middle school was stressful enough that they didn't go put anyways.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don’t be so pessimistic. Every generation had it’s problems and we are still alive. People tend to think they and their situations are special. That’s not true.

People this days, especially the younger generations, are very pessimistic. They seem to not even try to have a good life since it will end soon it seems. This will cause a lot of brilliant minds to let their potential die slowly while realizing later in life they could have done better.

You have to understand one important thing: While a situation is bad there can still be a positive trend. Less people die of hunger, Corona killed significantly less people than the Spanish flu. Etc.

Even if the climate changes, somehow mankind will survive. AI want kill all jobs since AI doesn’t have hands. There is so much stuff outside that needs human intellect. Don’t let the media and zeitgeist let kill your intellect people. Be optimistic!

[–] SpaceNoodle 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

AI doesn't have hands yet.

You're also assuming that AI needs hands. Taxi drivers won't be replaced with androids; they shall be replaced by vehicles that drive themselves.

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