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[–] OutrageousUmpire 74 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Yeah I remember being taught in church about forgiveness and love. And then taught about Lucifer being kicked out to hell forever, no chance of redemption. It didn’t make sense to me, even as a kid. I think I asked a Sunday school teacher about it and got a nonsensical rationalization.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Probably because the whole Lucifer Story is apocryphic and was pierced together/made up by church teachers. It doesnt fit with the message of the New Testament one bit.

[–] affiliate 22 points 8 months ago

expanding on this, even the existence of eternal hell is fairly controversial among theologians. this is from the page on [Christian Univeralism]:(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_universalism)

The first clear mention of endless misery is to be found in a work from 155 to 165 AD by Tatian.[18] According to theologian Edward Beecher, in the first four centuries there were six main theological schools and only one of them advocated the idea of eternal hell.

[–] kemsat 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Also, most of the Bible is stolen from other religions & spiritualities that existed around before it was all codified.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"Stolen" is a bit of a harsh word, it was normal for the various religious cults back then to influence each other

[–] kemsat 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Dude I'm pretty Sure there wasnt a person going "I'll steal this from another religion". That's not how things go

[–] kemsat 0 points 8 months ago

That’s exactly how it goes. They take from other religions so it’s easier for their religion to take hold.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

It's just nonsensical rationalizations all the way down.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

What I was taught was that because Lucifer and his followers were literally in heaven or wherever and knew God personally, they essentially should've known better than to rebel. On earth, hardly anyone has perfect faith, so they get some leeway for not knowing better.

That's the extent of my knowledge on that and I don't even believe it, but that's what I was taught

[–] [email protected] 52 points 8 months ago (1 children)

At last, a greentext that doesn't seem to be made up for internet kudos.

[–] SiegeRhino 59 points 8 months ago (2 children)

actually I don't think OP is really Lucifer

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Lying? On the internet?

[–] misterundercoat 20 points 8 months ago

Sorry, kid. The game was rigged from the start.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

If I remember correctly, the reason Lucifer rebelled was because god made him subservient to man.

Can't say I blame him really.

[–] MaxVoltage 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

in BC times too. bad times. imagine being a babd of roaming sapiens and finding a clan of dumb Neanderthals

war. war neve... Bonk

[–] MindSkipperBro12 9 points 8 months ago

I need to catch up on my bible lore.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

You shouldn't have fought a battle you know you couldn't win

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

If you gun for the sky father you better not miss.

[–] maxenmajs 1 points 8 months ago

First time I've seen the angel Lucifer described as a blackpiller but I like it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago

Hey, assbutt!