this post was submitted on 08 May 2024
126 points (95.0% liked)
Linux
48248 readers
792 users here now
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).
Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word "Linux" in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.
Rules
- Posts must be relevant to operating systems running the Linux kernel. GNU/Linux or otherwise.
- No misinformation
- No NSFW content
- No hate speech, bigotry, etc
Related Communities
Community icon by Alpár-Etele Méder, licensed under CC BY 3.0
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
I get what you’re saying, but that’s bad advice for a new user. They’re already gonna be having to relearn how the computer works and how to fix stuff that breaks/make it do what they want.
It’s more important to have a broadly supported and used system with ample documentation in that situation than it is to have the most recent packages.
It is important that you get fixes to packages that occured in the last like 2 years.
It is generally not really nice to run outdated software, even though it works kinda well.
If you use Debian you really need to use Flatpaks, and Mozillas PPA for regular Firefox. Then yes, probably a good OS.
I started on MX Linux because some strange Distrowatch bump. My IT support told me my Nextcloud version was outdated, and I didnt know Flatpak back then.
It depends on the package really. Sometimes you're better off without the fixes that occurred in the last 2 years if it means avoiding the new bugs in the last 2 years.
IMO the more you try to stick to the latest releases, the more important it is to continue to stay updated. but every upgrade is a chance for new bugs or just breaking changes, so for new users starting with a stable distro is a good choice.
.. except for browsers, where you both need the newest features but REALLY need the newest fixes.
Browsers are just bundles of lots of internetfacing software. Not the only one by far, but for sure a big part.
I agree that some stuff has gotta stay up to date, I guess I see that more as part of learning how the system works and how to break it/weld shit onto it problem instead of starting from a rolling release.
Dont know if I understood that sentence.
Testing packages is fine. But randomly stopping updates from upstream maintainers makes no sense. If you develop the software you can freeze packages. Or if upstream has dedicated LTS/ESR variants. But not if you dont.
Now I’m not sure I’m the one who understands!
I was saying that it’s better for a new user to come to the understanding that their system has its own version of everything and learn how to work around that when they need to rather than start from a rolling release where everything is as new as possible.
I mean software devs release software when it is ready. Fedora also is semi-rolling and especially the older release has some form of held back packages.
But knowing "my distro ships packages with some random frozen number and these issues will simply not be fixed in a long time" is not really helpful.
Also, people dont know this from anywhere. Android, macOS, Windows all have separated software that is officially maintained and uses the latest stable version. Only Linux distros use this strange packaging form.
So I think using Flatpaks is way better, as they are often officially maintained. A lot of them are not, but they manage the separation from the system very well, so you actually run the latest versions without any chance to break the system.
I guess if you think flat packs and snaps and rolling releases are gonna replace the usual way Linux distributions have done things then that would be good advice for a new person.
No matter the merits of either position, I think the better advice for a new user is to learn how things are now rather than learning the rolling way.
It’s worth noting that neither way is directly analogous to how windows or macOS handle software updates because… they generally don’t! Aside from software out of either systems store, user downloaded software is now expected to run its own update when it’s launched.
Maybe that’s more like snaps because doesn’t snapd periodically run and check for stuff?
Only Appimages are that messy, and Flatpaks are way better. Not managing software at all is pretty horrible.
I think macOS has a store though, but not much software is there. Same as on Windows.
I didn’t even consider appimages. What a nightmare this all must be.