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[–] SulaymanF 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But how often has refusing an illegal direct order not been punished? “Breaking the Silence” members have risked jail time for refusing to commit war crimes. The military replaced brigade commander Ben Dunkelman for refusing to expel all Arabs from Nazareth under Ben Gurion’s orders.

You’re talking about more myth than reality.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sorry, but events which happened right after the founding of the country don’t count IMO - the whole area was in chaos and many dumb decisions were made (talking about the Ben Dunkleman case).

“Breaking the Silence” have been caught lying many times - even known biased publications like Haaretz have called them liars.

Elor Azaria, a soldier which killed an incapacitated terrorist a few years ago, claimed that his commander told him to do it. He went to jail anyway.

It’s not a myth, this is fucking drilled into our heads during bootcamp.

[–] SulaymanF 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What’s “drilled into your heads in boot camp” is still not always enforced. The US military claims to support diversity from top to bottom and yet there’s thousands of documented incidents of sexist and racist assaults of one another that go unpunished and the existence of actual hate groups in the ranks. The reality of IDF is that there’s literally thousands of allegations of criminal behavior that the military refuses to investigate and when they do there’s less than 1% that even face charges, and even the crimes documented on video and convicted get a shockingly small punishment even in cases that led to a death of a Palestinian. This is well documented, stop trying to whitewash it.

And Elor Azaria got a slap on the wrist, a mere 9 months in jail for killing an unarmed Arab, and is treated like a hero since his release.