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    [–] DrGunjah 65 points 10 months ago (24 children)

    It's not like I want to defend windows, but If it needs admin permission you usually can't start it without confirmation.

    [–] r00ty@kbin.life 83 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    Here's the problem. So many legitimate things need elevation, and often multiple times in a single install. Guess what most Windows users do, when they see an elevation prompt. What do you reckon?

    [–] DrGunjah 40 points 10 months ago (1 children)

    Honestly I don't think it's that bad. I have to use sudo just as often on linux as I have to accept the elevation box on win. Win11 has some serious issues but UAC is harmless.

    [–] r00ty@kbin.life -5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Sudo is very different. You need to explicity enter your password. It may be cached for a short time and I'd argue that's actually better.

    If I'm installing something, it asks for my password once but can then raise to root multiple times that's fine.

    If I'm installing something and it asks for elevation three times, for example it needs to Install multiple drivers. It generates an automatic click when installing for many unexperienced users. It's dangerous imo.

    It can't really be compared to Sudo.

    [–] glitchdx 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Sudo is just clicking "ok" with extra steps, thus making adding and removing programs more annoying, thus meaning the common user will probably just be logged in as root all the time. I challenge you to change my mind.

    [–] Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 10 months ago

    That's exactely what happened in my mind when I was getting started with Linux (kind of), although it's arguably a habit that comes from using Windows where people don't really think about OS users and permissions

    [–] Burninator05 4 points 10 months ago

    As a Linux beginner who has a couple of false starts into it being my daily driver I'll say that there are two stumbling blocks left for me. Permissions "issues" is the bigger problem and some programs not being as fleshed out is the other.

    [–] DrGunjah 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

    So you think a person that would turn off UAC wouldn't just put NOPASSWD in the sudoers? I doubt that. And even if they had to enter their pwd... Wouldn't that just be annoying for the casual user instead of increasing security? I doubt they would be like "Oh I have to enter my pwd now, that really makes me think twice about whatever I was going to do with sudo."

    [–] IzzyJ 4 points 10 months ago

    Can confirm, have borked my sysyem this way

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