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[–] [email protected] 66 points 6 months ago (15 children)

IIRC the "other consciousness" is the internal monologue or internal visualization you experience when thinking

There's a potentially related theory too that the origin of religion is internal narrator thinkers having perceived the internal narrator as a second entity who was issuing them commands and beliefs rather than their own internal dialogue.

These people would claim to be "prophets" and basically evangelize whatever presence they ascribed responsibility for the internal narrator to. Leading to more people believing their internal narrators are also these divine forces speaking to them.

Not to dunk on rural americans, but a phenomena like this could also explain the recent evangelical movement in the US considering how much emphasis is placed on the personal relationship and communication with God, these people might actually just not realize their own thoughts and ascribe all thought process as the voice of the big man himself.

[–] Stonewyvvern 17 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Lived in SE USA most of my life...the majority of the most ridiculous fundamentalists don't have an inner monologue. They speak but there is nothing going on upstairs except life processes.

The way they cling to ideas from others explains why they cling so tightly...they never had one of their own.

Because of this phenomenal outlook they typically adhere to the first idea that comes around and dismiss everything else as false.

Critical thinking is not applicable to everyone.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Absence of an inner monologue does not mean that there is no thought process. I’ve done just fine without one myself. Can’t speak to whatever is plaguing the fundamentalists apart from indoctrination and being steeped in an oppressive culture that’s been fostered over generations.

[–] VindictiveJudge 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I have a coworker who I discovered a few weeks ago had no idea internal monologues were a thing. I had to explain that it's a real documented phenomena and that it's actually a minority of people that don't have one. She's pretty damn smart, too. I also play D&D with a guy who has aphantasia. He's also pretty damn smart and you would have no idea he was incapable of visualizing things if he didn't tell you. Him casually mentioning it in conversation surprised people who had known him for years. So, yeah, absolutely no correlation between intelligence and how your thoughts may or may not produce phantom sensory input.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

My internal monologue is written. I see letters (they seem typed, but no recognizable font), but I don’t know what it was before I could read.

The only thing I really hear in my head is intrusive- either ear worms or standard intrusive thoughts, otherwise it’s text.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Years ago I had really severe anxiety and intrusive thoughts. I noticed though as my anxiety got better through among other things therapy that the intrusive thoughts took on a new form; Unbidden and often times inappropriate shitposting IRL.

Personally, most of the time I don't really hear my internal monologue. It's there but it kinda tends to get drowned out by a constant swirl of other random thoughts unless I externalize it and talk to myself, but I do hear the intrusive thoughts loud and clear. Add those things together and I like to joke that I accidentally manifested a shitpost tulpa.

Then because I found this thought amusing I came up with an entire character to put to it.

[–] techMayhem 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The idea of not having a internal monologue is kinda strange to me. I have a constant internal monologue. Like there doesn't go a moment by without me talking to myself in my head.

I had it a couple of times that my internal monologue was off, usually due to medications or after intense experiences where I just need some space to process. It's the most strange feeling.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The idea of not having a internal monologue is kinda strange to me. I have a constant internal monologue. Like there doesn’t go a moment by without me talking to myself in my head.

You should try taking Finnegans Wake, especially before going to bed, and see what happens. It rewires your internal monologue syntax in some really strange way that is not far from the experience of sleep.

[–] Stonewyvvern 2 points 6 months ago

Grandpa gave me some advice...

"Think before you speak. If you think while you're speaking, then you've already failed."

Thanks Gpa...wise words.

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