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Tesla’s Autopilot and Full Self-Driving linked to hundreds of crashes, dozens of deaths (www.theverge.com)
submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by dragontamer to c/realtesla
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In total, NHTSA investigated 956 crashes, starting in January 2018 and extending all the way until August 2023. Of those crashes, some of which involved other vehicles striking the Tesla vehicle, 29 people died. There were also 211 crashes in which “the frontal plane of the Tesla struck a vehicle or obstacle in its path.” These crashes, which were often the most severe, resulted in 14 deaths and 49 injuries.

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[–] candybrie 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

People regularly screw things like that up. It's why we have all kinds of campaigns about going slow in school districts and neighborhoods, why we teach children not to play in streets, why people are concerned about really tall vehicles making it even harder for people to notice children in front of their cars. People suck at driving.

[–] dragontamer 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Other ADAS systems actually have functioning emergency braking.

You know, the ones with functioning RADAR units.

[–] candybrie 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's great! The contextualized data should show that making them better than Tesla. Why are you against the idea of contextualizing the data?

[–] dragontamer 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I'm against you ignoring the data that we have in favor of data we don't have.

It's a fucking propaganda technique and I'm calling you out on it. You aren't even arguing against this data, you are just shitting on it.

The context is that Mobileye has more ADAS deployments, more miles traveled and a safer record than Tesla's FSD.

[–] candybrie 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You aren't even arguing against this data, you are just shitting on it.

Because the data we do have says that tesla is freaking amazing compared to people. 29 deaths over 5 years compared to 35k deaths a year? But there's a million caveats to that. What are they? And when we put them in, do they show Tesla sucks like some of those videos do?

The context is that Mobileye has more ADAS deployments, more miles traveled and a safer record than Tesla's FSD.

Great! Where is that shown and explained in any of these things?

[–] dragontamer 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Because the data we do have says that tesla is freaking amazing compared to people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azdX_6L1SOA

Are you looking at the same data as me? Humans don't make mistakes like this.

[–] candybrie 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yes, they do. They're playing with their phone. Or fall asleep at the wheel. Or are trying to do their make up. Humans suck at driving. Sometimes, they're worse in super easy circumstances because that's when they're most likely to stop paying attention. Over 35k people dead every year in just the US.

[–] dragontamer 0 points 5 months ago

And when the CEO says that Full Self Driving coast-to-coast by 2017, and that "The human is only here for regulatory purposes", overselling the capabilities of the "FSD" system, what do you think that causes?

Drunk people relying upon FSD to drive them head-first into a firetruck.