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[–] [email protected] 79 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The US is more concerned about antisemitism on college campuses than being complicit in the 670,000+ individuals starving in Gaza.

[–] ChicoSuave 38 points 5 months ago (2 children)

By US I assume you mean the media, powerful business leaders and politicians behind the scenes that are making the decision to release police on what is clearly a peaceful protest. Because as a person who is American and against what is happening to Palestinians right now, this is not condoned by many folks over here. It is the 1% with the loudest voices that are making this a persistent problem for protests.

Look up who runs the police for the city shown and make the local politicians scared of public backlash. They do this because no one knows who they are and so they will not be held responsible.

Accountability wilts fascism.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I can add my voice to this. The very topic we're all commenting on here supports this. The are protests and millions of dissenting voices to the disgusting atrocities taking place against the Palestinian people.

This isn't new, either. Countless Americans have opposed Israel for many, many years. They've been openly killing civilians for a very long time now.

It needs to stop, but the United States government is in an open state of distress right now. We're fighting over here to keep an actual tyrant from gaining power, and unilaterally destabilizing the entire world. Trump has threatened to pull us out of NATO, abandon support for Ukraine, and send even more aid to Israel. He's also a big reason Iran as a country is pissed off, since he pulled us out of the Iran Nuclear deal.

There are layers of bullshit and politics to navigate, and without money and agency most of us are struggling just to pay our rent, and buy groceries.

Meanwhile, we get people all the time conflating the US government with the US people. They are not the same thing. We are in many ways captives of our society. Those not from the US: look into what happens when we come down with a severe illness. Spoiler: we can easily lose fucking everything.

Things aren't good, everyone. Things aren't good. We can fix them, but holy shit is it not a good time for the world.

[–] PugJesus 8 points 5 months ago

This isn’t new, either. Countless Americans have opposed Israel for many, many years.

Unfortunately, a very countable amount. The number of Americans who have been more than vaguely aware of Israel's existence was dominated by Doomsday-craving fundies until very recently, not foreign policy nerds. This is probably the first time in my lifetime that public opinion has turned anti-Israel in any appreciable amount.

What's that Churchill said? Americans will always do the right thing, after having tried everything else?

God, let this year be the turning point. Let it be the last, shameful time we've been complicit in Israel's crimes. We have enough of our own to deal with.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I hate it when people say "America did this" or "Russia is doing that" or "China" or any country. I doubt the average Russian or Chinese citizen has any more influence over what their governments do than we do in the US... I wish people would start naming names and perhaps even labeling them with their major sponsors/donors. Like "today president Biden, with more than $3m in donations from defense contractors, signs another $90b over to Israel for 'military aid'"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

But the US government is voted by the US people in overall democratic elections. The people in Russia and China do not get this freedom and responsibility.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Gerrymandering, etc. Republicans keep losing the majority vote and still winning elections because they won a larger number of districts (because they control the drawing of districts in too many places). Plus voter suppression. And then they block all reform.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I think we can both agree that the level of meddling by gerrymandering or other measures is still a much much lower level of obstructions compared to Russia and China. And why are the democrats not fighting against these obstructive measures?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

They use them too

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Some are, but they're usually in legislative minority where it's happening

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

And yet you see comment after comment after comment and post after post after post here, telling you that opposing Bidens and the Democrats involvement with the genocide and violent supression of protests, would be shilling for Trump.

From an external perspective most of the US are either in support or indifferent to murdering women and children, torturing and abusing people, as long as it is not them.