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I think pescatarians are crazy and secretly love helping the ocean life be obliterated. At least with beef, the destruction of entire ecosystems is mostly halted and the cowboys didn't muster any dolphins and a thousand random other species into the abattoir, all the while blasting diesel and country music so loud that animals in a few hundred km radius can't survive normally.
They also generally wait for the cows to live long enough to finish growing.
Cows can live up to 20 years but the average age at slaughter for cows killed for their flesh is about 1.5 years.
I'm not defending it. But those cows are born to die.
This does not occur in the ocean and is why fish are rapidly dwindling in size and numbers, damaging massive ecosystems along the way.
You can't overcow cows, you just make more. But we overfish fish all the time even with such low standards for what "overfishing" is.
Seafood is the hidden destroyer of much of the world's living nature. But conveniently it is easy to ignore because you don't see under the waterline, and it's too difficult to regulate properly. Can't just roll up to 100 boats like you can 100 farms.
If someone wants to hate on meat but say fish is okay, the least they can do is cut out all seafood unless farmed. While that's ironically just bringing them up to a level no different to land meat, at least they wont be decimating all the bulk of life on earth they mockingly claim to hold so dear but forget is mostly in the ocean.
I agree 100% with you killing aquatic life is bad for ecosystems and the animals themselves.
Saying the cows are born to die is arbitrary. There are cultures that consume dogs and cats for food, the same could be said about them.
If a serial killer was impregnating human women and stealing their babies to eat them, the same could be said about the babies the serial killer was eating. That they were just born to die.
Vegans don't consume any land or marine animals. Veganism is a philosophy concerned with avoiding harm to animals as far as possible and practicable.
It's not a philosophy of complete non-harm since that isn't attainable for most people with the social obligations they have.
No, it's literal. Humans produce and slaughter ~3.5B cows for consumption annually. If this were not the case and the numbers were natural, the planet would be consumed by cows in a short number of years. That's if the ~55B chickens a year don't cover every inch of the surface first. If we stopped eating cows, the heartier species would continue to exist naturally but in very low numbers in specific environments,.back to how it used to be.
That's land numbers. Farmed, regulated, controlled, sustained, and efficient—BILLIONS. Now think of how hard humans go on marine life...
It's a finite resource at this point, one which climate and ecosystems of the land depend on to survive. The pescatarian diet is the "I want everything to die as efficiently as possible" choice, showing how little Pescatarians actually think before getting on a soapbox. They're your hypothetical murderer but they don't impregnate first, and they litter an unfathomable amount, and it's not just human babies it's any living creature in proximity of the human baby just 'cause.
Also, you don't need to randomly mansplain veganism :)
The reason there are so many cows is because people are breeding them into existence. There are far more cows now than there would be if people were not eating them. I'd rather be extinct than be sexually abused by humans, have my children killed at a fraction of their lifespan, and live in filth like most cows do.
Instead of breeding more animals, we should let the ones alive now live out their natural lifespans and stop breeding them. But as long as people keep buying animal products, breeders will keep breeding the animals.
Definitely not. Our natural ecosystems and wildlife would not handle that. They're invasive to most of the world and would breed invasively. The planet doesn't need that problem anymore than it currently has.
If you were to keep them on farms, I assume you'll be paying for all the feed, medicine, workers of the agriculture industry, etc. Or would you just leave the cows to starve or get sick and die, while millions of people become unemployed frommfarmhands to students flipping burgers at McDonald's?
It's a false dichotomy, leave them on farms or leave the in the wilderness to die. Sanctuaries treat cows with dignity instead of objects for profit.
There will be more cows existing at any one point in time if more people don't go vegan because of the population increase. It would take less resources to let the cows alive now live out their natural lives and there not be any cows anymore in 20 years than to continue sexually abusing them, forcing them to reproduce, then killing 30 million of them a year in the US alone. There's 91 million cows in the US right now, it would take less resources to let them live out there lives and there be no cows in 20 years than if there are over 91 million cows in 20 years. The population will decrease from 91 million down to around 0 in 25 years whereas if people keep eating cows, there will be over 91 million cows consuming resources in 25 years.
This utopia scenario is a fantasy, but it demonstrates an important fact that if we breed less cows, less resources will be used and there will be less of a toll on ecosystems. The ways less cows will exist is if humans stop reproducing as much and/or go vegan. The numbers will decrease gradually the more that people go vegan.