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What kind of meta-data could it be?
For example the IP address of all the devices you use to connect to the server.
Also all the internal communication that happens between users on the same server... like who is connected to whom and talks to whom at what time etc. Some of it will of course leak to remote servers in a federated network, but with your own server as an inter-mediator a lot of the meta-data is only known to your own server.
e2ee is actually massively over-emphasised and basically snake-oil by the large centralized networks (like WhatsApp or Signal). The data they are really interested in is the meta-data that allows them to make accurate advertisement profiles of their users. And the CIA famously kills people based on meta-data alone.
That is the main improvement messengers like Session and SimpleX Chat try to solve. As long as Signal requires a phone number (a highly identifying piece of information), there will always be metadata.
Using a small trusted XMPP server is IMHO the only real solution as it approaches the problem not as a technical issue but a social one. Any technical "solution" (like those you mentioned) will be at best improve the situation for a few people that really understand what is happening on the protocol level and leave everyone else with an even worse footgun situation than before. There are so many examples of this that I lost track of counting then :(
I totally agree with your reasoning, XMPP is a better solution than Signal and Session imo. Having more control over your metadata is definitely valuable, however, I think SimpleX Chat could be a really good alternative to XMPP. The concept is really solid, a decentralized system of unidirectional message queues.
100% agree with you. Been keeping an eye out for something more streamlined to bring the whatsapp crowd over. XMPP ain't it due to different servers with different features being a thing. So I only have a few contacts there. But as soon as SimpleX has a desktop client I'm moving over. Not because XMPP is bad, but because it's not able to pull less privacy driven peope over.
I agree, once SimpleX implements a desktop client, read receipts, and account sync, it will be a great solution for the masses. The mobile apps are incredibly good for how young the project is, so I have high hopes for the desktop client.
When you are online, when you write messages etc. everything but the messages itself