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[โ€“] affiliate 20 points 8 months ago (2 children)

here's a different way to think about differentiation and integration (which are easier to generalize to other settings):

differentiation: lines are really easy to understand (they're completely determined by two points), so wouldn't it be nice if everything was a line? sadly, most things are not lines. but what if instead, we tried to approximate things using lines? i mean after all, if you zoom in really far when looking at the graphs of most common functions, they look kind of like a line, so it seems like it should work. and it does (for sufficiently nice functions)! and so, we define the derivative f'(x) of a function f to be the line that best approximates a function near some given number x. these approximations are typically quite good when considering numbers very close to x.

in higher dimensions, you don't consider the best approximating line, but the best approximating linear function. this is a big reason why linear algebra is so useful and important: you can use calculus to turn complicated problems into linear ones, and then use linear algebra to solve those problems.

differentiation is also a good example of a way of thinking that starts to become prevalent in different parts of abstract math: the big picture of something may be quite complicated, but when you zoom in, and only look at small regions, things can be rather nicely behaved. here's another example of this sort of concept: the earth. when you look at it in its entirety, it's spherical (complicated). but when you look at things locally (e.g. if you only focus on one particular city), then that region is "basically flat". this is in part why maps/GPS systems can work: you can put street directions on a flat piece of paper because that's a decent way to approximate small regions of the earth.

integration: this one is admittedly a bit more contrived, but here goes. integration is basically a way to generalize the concept of measuring things. what does it mean to measure something? it depends :) but let's consider a simple example: let's say you counted how many pieces of fruit you ate each month and wanted to measure how many pieces of fruit you ate in a year. what would you do? add up the amount of fruit eaten each month. so this is the simplest kind of measurement: addition.

what if you (somehow) had information about how much fruit you ate from now until infinity. how would you measure the total amount of fruit eaten? this would be considerably more challenging. but there is one thing that will make this a tad easier: the heat-death of the universe. eventually, the amount of fruit eaten will start to decline. (fruit will be harder to find when there are no more stars.) so, after a certain point, the new terms added by future months will be negligible: they will barely affect your sum. and so, your tally of total fruit eaten will start to settle on a value as you add up more and more months. this kind of measurement is called infinite summation.

okay, but what if you (somehow) had information about how much fruit you're consuming literally all the time. not just every second, but every possible moment. just non-stop fruit information. how would you measure how much fruit you've eaten on a given day? this is a bit tricker since you're now trying to measure a whole continuum. so what do you do? approximate. you could start out by breaking the day up into 1 hour intervals and then approximate how much fruit you ate each hour. you then add up all those estimates and divide by 24 (basically take the average). you could then take finer and finer approximations (break the day up into half hour chunks, quarter hour chunks, then 5 minute chunks, 5 second chunks, etc, taking the average each time), and then see if a pattern starts to emerge. eventually (hopefully), you'll see that past a certain point, these finer and finer approximations start to settle on a value. i.e., it seems like you're reaching a point of diminishing returns, where better approximations start to result in smaller differences in your final measurement. the value that these subsequent approximations start to approach is called the integral.

it's maybe worth mentioning that the symbol for integration is a big squiggly S, for summation. and that's because it's really supposed to be a way to try to add up a bunch of things. in the case of adding up a finite number of things, you no longer need to approximate and you can just add them up directly.

[โ€“] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

okay, but what if you (somehow) had information about how much fruit you're consuming literally all the time. not just every second, but every possible moment. just non-stop fruit information.

For a moment I wondered how you were going to switch from discrete to continuous using fruit eating... ๐Ÿ™‚

[โ€“] affiliate 6 points 8 months ago

in hindsight it might have been better to do that using smoothies or something. but explaining integration using fruits was a bit challenging