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You're speaking to an audience of, optimistically, 500,000 people on a relatively obscure platform that is by proportion less American than most other social media platforms this size.
If literally everyone who could vote saw you say "don't vote Biden" and did exactly that, you'd make so little difference that you'd be actively contributing to the spoiler effect.
You know, that thing that handed Trump the 2016 election?
So fuck you. Fuck this system for being so shitty, but fuck you for advocating the only thing that would make things worse.
Clinton and her hubris handed Trump the election. Spoiler is a myth liberals create for themselves to try and vote shame. Earn our fucking votes or they can fuck off.
No dude. No independent has won the presidency since the bullmoose party 100 years ago.
Voting independent or not voting is an invitation for a republican president.
You can bloviate all you want but facts are fucking facts.
They can earn our votes or fuck off.
I guess you're cool with another 4 years of Trump. That's on you.
Im not cool with it, but votes are earned, not demanded for fear of a Boogeyman.
Ok so you demand respect but you're also aware that an actual fascist wants you to abstain for any reason so he can fear monger his own base into putting him in the white house
You'll need to specify if you're talking about the red fascist or the blue fascist. They can either spend the time and earn votes or they can fuck off. Trump is the accumulation of 50 years of liberal lesser evil voting that has gotten so large someone like Trump was able to get into office.
Ah yes, the good old "both sides are the same" logic.
I really feel like the word fascist has lost its connotation since the "both sides" crowd has fancied Biden the ideological same as Hitler or Mussolini.
What you're enabling is an aspiring dictator, and you're justifying it by throwing your hands in the air because the shitty system made the only viable alternative center-right.
Want to argue to me how Biden is somehow also a dictator and just as bad?
Nothing to do with Russian interference either?
According to the special counsel investigation's Mueller Report (officially named "Report on the Investigation into Russian Interference in the 2016 Presidential Election"),[42] the first method of Russian interference used the Internet Research Agency (IRA), a Kremlin-linked troll farm, to wage "a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton".[43] The Internet Research Agency also sought to "provoke and amplify political and social discord in the United States".[44]
The tactic was always to also shit as much on the competition as possible. They literally hacked her emails to do so.
There is no doubt that the same thing is happening again right now.
Can Biden be criticized for his behavior? Sure! Are bad faith actors piggybacking on this situation and amplifying the "Genocide Joe"-narrative ? Absolutely.
WE DID IT LEMMY, WE HAVE CIRCLED ALL THE WAY BACK TO "MATH IS A LIBERAL CONSPIRACY!"
FORGET HORSESHOE THEORY, WE JUST RING THEORIED THIS SHIT!
Spoiler implies we would vote for a POS neolib politician if there were no other options. We would not.
Wait, so would people just voting against genocide make little difference or would it spoil the election?
If it will spoil the election then wouldn’t it be best for Biden to you know, stop the genocide?
I can’t believe the democrats would rather run the pals through a meat grinder than win the election. Sounds like a bad party that I shouldn’t vote for. What do you think?
It's both. The thought of the US backing Israel makes me physically ill. But saying "well Biden should just stop the genocide" like he can wave a magic wand is woefully ignorant of the politics of why we're involved in the first place.
I think that any chance that Mr "I just want to be a dictator for one day" has of living his fascist dreams needs to be averted at all costs. I live in the deep south and I personally know people who are itching to shoot democrats in the face once they feel like they have the protection to do so.
Having the stance of "well I just don't feel like voting for the party that might be the only tangible chance of averting literal, actual fascism" is either incredibly short sighted or down right uninformed.
No, I don't care for liberal ideology. Yes, I'm going to vote for Biden because I fear what Trump might empower his base to do.
It’s crazy that Biden can’t wave his magic wand and stop the genocide but that same magic wand will supply weapons, military gear and money to commit the genocide and block the un from taking action against it just fine.
What do you think is gonna happen if trump loses?
Yeah sure buddy. Biden is single handedly providing weapons and money. Do you have any idea how our congress works?
Fundamentally, things will get worse if Trump wins. Including how we are handling Israel. You don't seem to understand that.
Weird. I seem to remember a widely reported story that the Biden administration authorized delivery of 2 ton bombs to israel as recently as march 29th.
Now I may be just a simple country poster, but the administration authorizing delivery would imply the ability of that same administration to revoke its authorization with the result being impact on the delivery.
But what do I know? I could be fundamentally mistaken and the democrat president doesn’t have the power to direct Americas military might all over the world at all.
Really makes the case for himself then when his hands are conveniently tied by process every time there’s something to stand up for.
Israel doesn’t seem to think trump would be better for them. There was an article just the other day where a few Israeli reporters interviewed him and were shocked that his line was “wrap it up”. They described him as having flanked Biden on the left.
Not that it matters, I’m not voting for either of em. I won’t vote for genocide.
Yeah, republicans want them to just nuke Palestine and get it over with. That's a better option to you?
Then don't vote. You don't sound like the type that comprehends the full scope of what is at stake anyway.
This conversation is over. There isn't a way to convince someone with their nose this far in the air. You go on and think yourself better than the situation. The rest of us will continue living in reality while you use your power to enable an actual fascist.
Have fun with that.
I’m going to vote. For the party for socialism and liberation.
It’s astounding to be told Ive got my nose in the air because I won’t support a genocide. I must be one of those hifalutin’ morally superior ivory tower elites that thinks it’s wrong to starve children and bulldoze corpses.
Starving children and bulldozed corpses are going to happen in Palestine even if your choice of president makes it to office. Short of putting our own troops there, Israel isn't going to stop.
But given the fact that you're voting independent, you're complicit in making things worse in countless other ways.
Yes, by voting on your morals and ignoring the context, you have your nose in the air. What your actions are showing is that you don't care for the very real consequences, you care about feeling better than the people you view as "voting for genocide"
That mindset is elitist and extremely disconnected from reality.
Justify it however you want. You are still relinquishing your vote for a message that doesn't serve a purpose except to selfishly bestow perceived moral superiority upon yourself.
Congrats on that.
lol the mental gymnastics you have to do to convince yourself that it’s okay and actually right and best to vote for a senile war criminal aren’t going to work on me.
I’m not responsible for Joe Biden sending weapons to the people who triple tap aid worker convoys, or trump assassinating generals, or Obama blasting weddings or bush turning fallujha into a charnel house.
I didn’t vote for that. I didn’t have any seat at the table where those decisions were made. I wasn’t even asked to look the other way when afghan warlords molested children or Clinton’s assassination squad raped ghaddafi to death with a knife. I bear no responsibility for those actions because I had no part in their commission.
If I cannot be held responsible for the unforgivable, reprehensible actions of a string of government administrations I know my own voting record on, how can anyone call me responsible for an imagined future and its variable or constant horrors which like those of the past, lie so far beyond my influence they might as well exist in a different galaxy?
No, this machine exists to transform human suffering into the demonic wine those at its helm were raised on and when given some minuscule chance to influence it I will not lend my strength to direct its path of mutilation hither or thither, but to destroy its machinery even in the smallest way possible.
Death to America.
There it is. Several paragraphs of bloviation, demonstrating that all you care about is your precious morals, followed by the ultimate declaration that you have no intention of actually making things better.
Your vote is for the degradation of the system, while you sit in your arm chair and praise the imaginary dismantling of government based solely on your moral superiority.
We see you. Thanks again for justifying your pointlessness, and again reaffirming that there is no reasoning with you. The rest of us have a reality to tend to.
Good luck with whatever your deal is.
aww surely a fellow southerner can take a little joy in prose. you don't want your days do turn into a bland series of walkin' heah, do you?
things would be measurably better in the world without the great satan, wouldn't you say?
who's we? i'm glad you recognize that you can't change my mind. part of that last post was to hopefully make it clear that all the liberal triple backflips of guilt and self aggrandizement wouldn't sway me.
Anyone who unironically adopts "Death to America" ideology is a lot further gone than a liberal, which is what you wish I was, because then you'd be justified in just handwaving me like you're trying so hard to do.
Again, and for the last time, have fun on your moral high ground. You aren't fixing anything by refusing to participate. Nobody cares about your upstanding choice to relinquish your vote but you.
And as an aside, I've learned not to trust my "fellow southerners" because they tend to be vile assholes who lack understanding of the bigger picture. You don't seem to be the exception.
This conversation won't and can't go any further. I'm out.
I’ve tried to engage with you in the ol’ internet good faith. Can’t see any hand waving at all from where I’m standing. It’s a little odd to suggest you’re not a liberal when you’re justifying, espousing and defending voting for Biden so strongly.
If you’re not a liberal then how do you call yourself?
I never said I’d relinquish anything. I said I was voting third party. And it really seemed like you cared how I voted and especially how other people interpreted me talking about it for a lot of comments, what changed?