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[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I never understood the "promote laziness" thing. A union wouldn't be able to protect a worker that can't meet the requirements of the job.

If anything, either management isn't providing adequate training, or management needs to make better job descriptions.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago

Because union lawyers are on the side of the employee and thier job is to make sure the dismissal was for cause and procedure was followed. It's the same mentality that leads to people saying defense attorneys enable criminals. Like no, they're there to ensure your rights and check the power of the state.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

never understood the "promote laziness" thing. A union wouldn't be able to protect a worker that can't meet the requirements of the job.

Overachievers get told to stop being better than the lower-quality workers in poorly run unions because "it makes Bob look and feel bad when you do twice the work he can in a day"

It's not a great reason but if you experience it once it leaves one hell of a sour taste in your mouth, especially since poorly run unions also usually aren't doing good at protecting workers

[–] Takumidesh 33 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Also when people in the trades work extra hard and extra fast, it's usually at the expense of their bodies, equipment, safety, and other factors. Just because one dude is sprinting back and forth between the parts window and the shop floor doesn't mean he should be. Management doesn't care though, and they say 'see how Jim finished 3 work orders today? You all need to do that'

Jim gets mad because he is destroying his body to work faster, and others aren't, everyone else is mad because now the managers think Jim's behavior should be standard.

All the 'fast' mechanics I worked with were always doing dumb shit, like standing too far up on ladders because a taller one wasn't available, loosening harnesses to get into tighter spots instead of working with a teammate, or carrying two way to heavy items instead of making two trips. Yes all this stuff gets jobs done quicker but at what cost.

So the union tells Jim to slow down, because he isn't getting paid more for breaking his back, and his behavior will just shift to the new normal, meaning he will have to work even harder to be an 'overachiver'. Jim construes this as compensating for lazy employees, get propagandized by the xompany and dismantles the union.

Six months later Jim falls off a ladder and can no longer work in that field. Meanwhile everyone else is still held to Jim's 'good work ethic' standard. More injuries, more injuries, more mistakes, employees start to see problems with the company, they form a union, the cycle continues.

That was my experience in aviation at least.

[–] BallsandBayonets 6 points 8 months ago

And yet in this very comment thread there's someone complaining about their union "protecting the old guard" who are "lazy".

I am fully in support of doing the bare minimum, as long as you're not making anyone else's job harder. The only time you "should" be doing more than the minimum is when it's your own personal company, or it's work that actually betters society beyond making money.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

Overachievers should be told to stop doing more than they're paid to do lol. I get it, though. I get bored at work and often spend time building tools and things for myself to work smarter.

The company knows what I'm capable of doing, and are well aware that if they want more from me they could consider rotating me into a better team.

[–] Harbinger01173430 4 points 8 months ago

What we need is to promote being given what we need to live without having to become corporate slaves

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I'm in construction. The Union absolutely protects the old guard, and some of them are the laziest fucks you've ever seen. Guys will work at a snails pace and grieve any and every attempt to train or discipline.

I'm not in the Union, I'm generally in favor of it but there's absolutely very poor performers being protected.