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Looks expensive. The grey ones are the broken ones.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

What are you saying, that fossil fuel power plants, presumably quick responding natural gas fired ones, will always have to be incorporated into a power supply mix? If it is just for emergencies, that seems like a reasonable compromise. Would it even be considered part of the mix in that case? Still, I'm not convinced that that would really be necessary. Couldn't a properly sized variable load be sited at each nuclear power plant to the same effect? Couldn't it be as simple as sending a little bit of steam to small turbines that are just for grid start up and then venting the rest?

[–] banneryear1868 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not that fossils/natural gas are required per se but their capabilities. Some places like Norway and Quebec are geographically blessed with distributed hydro that can fill a lot of that need. The variable load for a nuclear in that case could be many times larger than the generator itself but I'm not aware of any studies on that. Kinetic storage with massive flywheels is maybe the closest thing to that, or even batteries. You can ramp nukes by venting steam but that heat can cause environmental issues. Similar to hydro how their capabilites are reduced based on environmental factors like handling spring runoff.

There are some very recent reports out of the Ontario regulator who are dealing with this exact issue right now. Long term demand increasing for the first time vs carbon legislation, and the mandate to have a reliable grid.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

That's a really interesting engineering challenge. If you have any links handy to articles explaining the situation in Ontario please share them.