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Current-era Microsoft continuing to push the boundaries of consent.

Microsoft Edge is a good browser but for some reason Microsoft keeps trying to shove it down everyone’s throat and make it more difficult to use rivals like Chrome or Firefox. Microsoft has now started notifying IT admins that it will force Outlook and Teams to ignore the default web browser on Windows and open links in Microsoft Edge instead.

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[–] Raphael 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I can't reproduce this issue from my Thunderbird on Fedora.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Joining in from my Postbox on Windows. No ads present (and it also doesn't slow down to a crawl after a few thousand messages).

Turns out that *competent * mail clients can handle the one thing they are designed to handle: emails.

[–] cristalcommons 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

hello, i tried changing from Outlook to Thunderbird some months ago, but i found the UI very confusing and complex. does any of you feel the same?

is there some way to simplify the UI to make it look more like Outlook with no ad crap? i tried looking for UI addons, but aside of dark mode, i didn't find one.

would you guys recomend a FOSS email client that you feel comfortable with?

thank you for reading!

[–] Raphael 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you use any advanced features? Personally I just look at the client to see if I got any emails and sometimes I send some.

I might not be able to give advise for advance workflows as I only use a small fraction of Thunderbird's capabilities.

[–] cristalcommons 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

hello! thank you for replying!

um... no, i don't use advanced features at all.

but this part of your message: "i only use a smart fraction of Thunderbird's capabilities", made my mind click, as it's totally what i feel as an 'intended' Thunderbird user.

for me, it feels like there are too many options, too many menus, too many buttons. it's easy for me to feel overwhelmed or distracted by the UI.

i wonder if there's some "compact UI" mode i haven't checked out, as i am a very basic email user. for me, Outlook simpleness was perfect, aside from the ads and stupid things like not being able to write an "@" (on an email client!).

[–] Raphael 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't like that part of Thunderbird either. Seems overengineered to me.

It looks even more ridiculous when they open a tab on my browser begging for donations. Sadly I tried a couple other mail clients and none of them looked good enough so I'm still on Thunderbird. If you find anything better, please drop me a message.

[–] cristalcommons 1 points 1 year ago

i'm glad to find similar opinions on Thunderbird UI!

omg, the part of donations didn't happen to me, i think. maybe there was an option to disable it and i used it, or maybe i didn't use Thunderbird enough to make those tabs pop out on my browser.

I hope this doesn't happen often to you, because it looks as annoying as Outlook ads. i understand the Mozilla Foundation needs money but...

yes, if i find another email client that looks good, i will share it. my focus on the search would be: FOSS and simple UI.

thanks, pal!