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The mods who stayed after the API desaster are lost.
That seems a little reductive. I've never moderated anything, but I bet if I spent years building up a community I would also find it hard to just walk away.
You don't have to walk away, you can migrate. This is more an issue of building your house on the king's land. The mods that stayed should serve as a warning to the rest of us that building a Reddit community means that Reddit owns the community you created, and that as a moderator Reddit owns you.
Anyone who’s ever tried to get a friend group to change chat apps knows this isn’t simple.
I imagine doing it with a few thousand people is even more difficult.
Oh geeze, so much. "Hey just grab Signal real quick, it's super simple and private and SMS seems to get worse as time goes on anyway. Plus I can send you better pictures and videos!"
"Lol meh why you tryin to sell it to me."
It's weird, the things people really dig in their heels on. They'll download apps for the silliest thing but "another chat app" is such an inconvenience.
It's the only reason I think reddit dot com still resolves at all anymore. If the users weren't the product, to both the company and other users, better alternatives would be the norm by now.
I don't see why you need to bring everyone over with you. Even just a hundred is more than enough for a community
I tried to get my friend group to move to Signal from FB messenger because I did not want that nasty shit on my phone anymore. They were not interested at all and acted like it was the most inconvenient thing in the world. I ended up uninstalling FB messenger anyway and only check it on my desktop and rarely respond now unless it is a one on one conversation or directed at me in a group chat. I told them if they want/need to get in touch with me right away to use old school SMS or actually call me.
I agree. That's why me and all my friends are on Friendster.
You don't have to imagine it. The official piracy subreddit did it.
The assumption here is that mods moving is enough.
The mods didn’t have to move the community, just move themselves and let nature sort things out.
This is the truth that it hurts. Then again, they are non techy folks and use what mainstream uses
We tried that with Lemmy and many great communities only have one or two people posting consistently.
Most people don't care about behind the scenes
It depends, if mods were fully onboard and had a plan it definitely works. Just look at Piracy or Star Trek communities.
And look at the ttrpg.network community for a counterexample, they still have a pinned post on the dndmemes subreddit advertising Lemmy and ttrpgmemes gets like .1% of the traffic dndmemes does. And this is still after a months-long rebellion complete with allowing NSFW and restricting submissions to a single user account, both things that would normally kill a subreddit dead.
I just checked the Star Trek community on reddit and it's still up with 753k members and 189 online. The Lemmy versions I can find are a fraction of that.
The idea of Lemmy is great but let's not fool ourselves into thinking big communities actually migrated.
Depends on what your standard is, to me a community on here having 100+ daily users is already a huge success. I don’t think people expect the whole subreddit to migrate, just enough to have roughly the same amount of content/interaction.
Then its not a migration, which is what we're talking about.
If you're happy leaving a group of thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands in some communities for a group of 100 that's cool, but don't spin it as a successful migration.
The rest of the world didn't even realize we left.
It’s 100 daily interacting, which is much more than 100 subscribers. And Reddit doesn’t have daily users statistics so you can’t really know how many of those 700k are still using the site. Some might have not even logged for the past 14 years. I’d say actual daily users are less than 10k, maybe not even 2/3k looking at upvotes.
The statistics are not comparable, but as long as a community managed to form in here I’d say it’s still a success.
So 100 times bigger, by your own estimate?
They created a new community, sure. The reddit community didn't migrate though.
Less than 100 times. That was a high estimate. Top post in the past 24h has like 900 upvotes, that means 9 times at a bare minimum estimate.
And no one expected the whole community, or even a majority, to move to Lemmy. There was a (partial) migration, and to the end user it doesn’t mean that much if their post is viewed by 100 or 1000 people. A hundred people are plenty to just discuss a tv series.
So if a poster from the Star Trek Lemmy moves to Facebook Groups and brings along a small fraction of the userbase, is it fair to say the Star Trek Lemmy community migrated to Facebook?
I’d say it’s fair to say “there has been a migration” from Lemmy to Facebook, in that case.
It’s not like the definition itself matters though, the important thing is the end user experience and that’s pretty much been replicated with a community of that size.