this post was submitted on 20 Mar 2024
101 points (94.7% liked)

Linux

48209 readers
1468 users here now

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).

Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word "Linux" in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.

Rules

Related Communities

Community icon by Alpár-Etele Méder, licensed under CC BY 3.0

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 

"The most recent example is a now-merged merge request to revert an earlier change bumping the Zlib dependency for Mesa. The basis for that revert is that it breaks SPECViewPerf."

"Due to Mesa dynamically linking Zlib and how SPECViewPerf is handled, the update happens to break SPECViewPerf that is a popular benchmark for workstation graphics and one commonly used by hardware vendors and other stakeholders. Ultimately it's an issue with how SPECViewPerf is setup as an application bug but it could also be argued that Mesa could statically link it or better handle its dependencies. In any event, it's a regression for Mesa and breaks SPECViewPerf. And SPECViewPerf is important to vendors.

So the immediate solution that's now been merged is to revert that Zlib update commit..."

"They think it's a technical issue. It's not. It's a political and strategic issue for the Mesa community. If you prevent something from working that the industry finds important, you risk destroying real jobs in this community and shrinking it, regressing Mesa's reputation, making it more inferior in the industry, and thus less important. What this revert does is that it preserves existing jobs (i.e. existing stuff keeps working) and opens the door for creating new jobs and growing this community in a sustainable manner by showing others what it can do. You need capital and business interests to grow the community, and to get that, Mesa must be the best because it's always competing with alternatives.

If you thought this is only about dependencies, well, you're mistaken, and if you want to hurt the future of Mesa because your stupid zlib dependency is more important than anything else, including the livelihood of other people, you're just a foolish bikeshedder."

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The most recent example is a now-merged merge request to revert an earlier change bumping the Zlib dependency for Mesa.

Ultimately it's an issue with how SPECViewPerf is setup as an application bug but it could also be argued that Mesa could statically link it or better handle its dependencies.

In any event some notable messages were raised by well known AMD Mesa developer Marek Olšák: "I don't know [about being able to update Zlib or other solutions].

Expecting SPEC to suddenly adjust SPECViewPerf or similar is unlikely and failure to fix this would have been poorly reflected on the open-source Mesa OpenGL drivers... Hell the AMD Mesa drivers with SPECViewPerf are extremely competitive to the proprietary AMD alternatives or the NVIDIA competition on consumer cards.

Just imagine the screams if this wasn't a SPECViewPerf issue but rather a similar change breaking Steam support... Gamers would be protesting, Valve would be rightfully upset and surely having their developers working on an immediate revert, and would have further potential reverberations if it wasn't immediately addressed.

Mesa these days has a significant corporate presence from the developers involved and increased customer demand more than ever, but ultimately it's a good thing for the benefit of the ecosystem.


The original article contains 826 words, the summary contains 205 words. Saved 75%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!