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I'd actually be interested to know what would happen in the new York situation, there is probably enough rats to sustain this new cat population comfortably.
I'm not against getting cats spayed/neutered, or having cats soly indoors, I'm not sure where that came from? It's just irksome when people insist on locking them up, especially unsolicited.
"One too many, no local ecology can handle"...Are you implying we are on verge of a stray cat doomsday? Lots of countries have feral cats (and dogs),and while not ideal, they haven't collapsed society (yet).
Regardless, if you are able to sort out some other issues, like global warming, or micro plastics first, I'll wholeheartedly listen about the cat apocalypse, deal?
Here are some species that cats helped drive to extinction in Australia alone.
Whataboutism? Really? People aren't allowed to care about multiple problems, but only the big ones first? I'm frankly insulted that you'd attempt such a bad faith arguing tactic, as if you'd not immediately get called on it. Fuck you, no deal.
And yes, cats breed fast. I didn't say they'd collapse society, I said ecologies. That's something they have already done in many places around the world where feral cat populations got out of control.
In any densely populated area, you just need two idiots with fertile cats letting them outside for the area to soon have a problem. How exactly does things being under control where you live change that simple truth? Letting cats outside cannot remain the default way of thinking.
Your uneducated guesses on New Yorks cat population vs rat population, is hilarious. Stop seeing the world through your narrow anecdotes, and look this shit up.
And nevermind all that... Unsolicited? Statistically certain health issues and early death isn't enough of a reason for you?
To add on, cats have contributed to many many species extinction. Here are some examples just from Australia alone.
Whoa, I didn't make up the ridiculous new York cat doomsday story, chill out. I didn't realize in your head this was a (likely?) possibility, I'd assumed common sense which is my bad. I though it was more of a "XKCD what if" question.
You're accusing me of whatabouism?! Your argument is literally "WHAT ABOUT if everyone in new York let their cats out???" Im flabbergasted. You can focus on whatever issues you want, I'm just saying cats are pretty low on my list.
And yes, unsolicited - unless I greatly missunderstood OPs intentions for the post. At least I've learned that being indoors is statistically safer than being outdoors though, so thank you for that insight.
Making up a scenario to illustrate a point is not whataboutism. I do not consider it likely, the idea was to merely illustrate that in high density areas (you know, where most of humanity lives), the number of cats is such that allowing them all outside is simply not an option.
And if solicited advice is the only advice we are allowed to give, how exactly are outdoor cat owners to be dealt with? Do we just sit around until they randomly look up how long their cats could be living?