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Why do they think babbling nonsense is going to achieve a favorable outcome?
They think law is just magic incantations you say and not, you know, the violence of the state. I don’t get it.
The phrase you use - I do not think it means what you think it means. (Especially not whatever fine this tool was dodging)
“Social scientists define state violence broadly, ranging from direct political violence and genocide to the redefinition of state violence as the neoliberal exit of the state from the provision of social services and the covert use of new technologies of citizen surveillance. State violence, and sometimes the state in and of itself, is clearly a social problem shaping not only the structure of governance but also citizenship and the quality of life of individuals and communities.“
Might be from german "Staatsgewalt", Gewalt would usually be violence, but here it'd be more accurately translated as force or power.
I could be, but it exists as a legal term in English as well. In any event, being ordered to pay a fine doesn't not remotely fit into the "state's violence" remark from the commenter above (who, I might suggest, has their own agenda). State's violence is generally reserved for acts of physical violence (eg, police over-response to a protest) and not being contemptuous / an asshole in court.
These people need to be in a stock in the center of town so others can learn from their ignorance.
What they're getting at is that the "state" is the entity that is socially accepted to have a "monopoly on legitimate violence." In this sense, the government asks you to pay a fine, okay, that's not violence per se, but if you decline to pay it, you may be arrested, or if not directly, then your continued resistance to further attempts to collect the debt could result in your arrest. All government action is predicated on the underlying threat of violence at the end of a chain of resistance to their orders, and that violence will be acceptable the population. Other parties can only use violence in accordance with the agreed limits from the state.
I guess it's not a useless paradigm, but it's more anthropology than political science. It's so fundamental and malleable as to be largely pointless from a policy standpoint, and it therefore allows everyone from cringey libertarians to literally insane SovCits to make bad faith arguments about how legitimate the state is.
Ah, okay - and I agree with you it feels vague and of bad faith, so it makes sense sovcits would rally around it.