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“There's this wild disconnect between what people are experiencing and what economists are experiencing,” says Nikki Cimino, a recruiter in Denver.

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[–] phoneymouse -2 points 11 months ago (11 children)

Most people are struggling with the basics, not disputing that. But, then I wouldn’t consider those people HENRYs.

When I look around, I also see a lot of people with high income making boneheaded moves like buying expensive vehicles, renting luxury apartments, etc. For some people the problem isn’t the system, it’s their own lack of self-control or planning. If you’re making $200,000 and still feel broke. Maybe that $1,500/month car payment was a mistake. Maybe you shouldn’t have used the raise to move into a luxury apartment building.

When I was starting my career all my coworkers lived in $2200/month luxury buildings. I knew we all made roughly the same amount of money, so was shocked that they would pay this much for rent. Meanwhile, I sought out roommates and paid $650. With the money I saved, I paid off my student loan debt aggressively. Now all these people are struggling to get to the next step in life. Yeah, I could’ve seen that coming 10 years ago for you.

I see the same thing with cars. Everyone wants to own some luxury SUV. And, they make fun of me for driving a Prius. I won’t be surprised in another 10 years when they’re still struggling.

This isn’t an attack on people who don’t have the money. This is an attack on people who do and can’t plan well, but then act surprised when they’re broke still.

[–] HeyJoe 15 points 11 months ago (8 children)

I don't make 200k, but together with my wife, we make a little under that. We both have cars, and both are paid off. I still have the first car I ever brought, which is a Nissan Sentra 2006 basic model. So, 17 years on the same car and hers is a 2015 Toyota. We do have 2 kids and brought a house in 2015. The last 4 years have been almost impossible to make ends meet, and all we try to do is survive with the very occasional do something for the kids. I have tons of housework I can't do but also can't pay for either. Because of this, we also can't move until it's taken care of, so we're kind of stuck here as well. We have no money to save or invest. Did we make some bad decisions? Sure, probably shouldn't have had kids for starters. They cost a fortune. But my point is we aren't doing anything crazy here, it's just that more and more things are taking our money and prices also went up. It sucks because all I want to do is live and get by, I don't really have any grandiose dreams of doing crazy things or buying tons of stuff. I just want to get by as my parents did, which seems impossible today.

[–] SupraMario 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

How much did you pay for your house? Assuming you live in a HCOL area? Making almost 200k you shouldn't be struggling at all, unless you're living in some crazy high cost of living area.

[–] HeyJoe 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I live in North NJ. From my understanding, it's about as bad as it gets. House was 330k 10 years ago. We also have crazy property taxes, so that alone is 13k a year. I also live in a very rural area which was the only option for the area if we wanted some space and also keep house prices semi cheap.

[–] SupraMario 3 points 11 months ago

How damn costly is everything else there, that's crazy high for property taxes though.

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