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[–] givesomefucks 60 points 10 months ago (18 children)

Facts tho.

It's always the dudes who are only friends with other dudes that have the most issues.

More of a cultural thing than anything, but it's always good for dudes to have women as friends as well, women are just better at talking about some things. They don't have the same social hangups as a lot of men.

Shits better than it was, but it's still weird when people only have friends of their own gender.

[–] CryptidBestiary 40 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I get where you're coming from but I've witness toxicity regarding masculinity from both men and women. Honestly, it's definitely possible to have healthy relationships with other dudes. All of my best friends are guys and we aren't afraid to talk about anything, like our feelings. So it's really the company you keep that really matters, regardless of gender imo

[–] PoliticalAgitator 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately, "my friends and family are all assholes, must be feminists fault" is extremely common and rarely shaken off.

There's plenty of reasons people night not listen to your problems. Sometimes people just don't have the space. Sometimes they're just assholes.

The reasons I've seen the most frequently stem from the person trying to talk. They're oversharing. They never reciprocate. They never take steps to actually address their problems. They're using their problems to manipulate someone who isn't falling for it.

But in 40 years of adulthood, I've never seen "I'm not going to listen to them solely because they're a man".

[–] captainlezbian 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This. Part of learning to share emotions is learning to accept shared emotions and learning to not share emotions for all the other reasons. Most of my interactions in all women groups don’t really deal much with our feelings aside from bits at the beginning and end or with a “can I vent” warning/request at the beginning (and that’s a sometimes thing). And we take turns talking about what’s going on in our lives or deciding what the conversation is about, actively making space for others to chime in.

If you need to talk a lot about your feelings, especially the deep stuff, talk to a therapist. That’s not brushing you off, it’s what therapy is for.

But also learn to feel your feelings by yourself. Put on a sad movie and cry without shame. Go for a run or a walk or a bike and feel your heart out. That’s part of what women are expected to do as well. I think a lot of men have this idea that we all talk deep about our feelings or wear our hearts on our sleeves rather than learn to independently process our feelings, and provide mutual support where needed which is the healthy thing to do.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

But also learn to feel your feelings by yourself.

I agree completely with this stance

If you need to talk a lot about your feelings, especially the deep stuff, talk to a therapist. That’s not brushing you off, it’s what therapy is for.

While I agree that therapy can help a lot in those situations, I don't think these talks should be limited to a therapist. I try to be somebody you can come to and talk about deep stuff for my friends. With one friend of mine, I mostly talk about deep feelings. It is great to have somebody like her, it's a different category than therapy. A therapist shouldn't give you his opinion and rarely shares similar experiences. Sometimes it's just nice to have someone to talk to in a more symmetric way. For me it's almost never a burden to listen to the emotions of people I like. I want to hear the deep stuff.
Sure a friend is not a replacement for therapy, but therapy is also not a replacement for a friend with whom you talk about deep emotions.

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