this post was submitted on 24 Feb 2024
196 points (97.1% liked)

World News

39022 readers
2485 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News [email protected]

Politics [email protected]

World Politics [email protected]


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

A woman who left the United Kingdom to join ISIS at the age of 15 has lost her Court of Appeal challenge over the decision to remove her British citizenship.

Shamima Begum flew to Syria in 2015 with two school friends to join the terror group. While there, she married an ISIS fighter and spent several years living in Raqqa.

Begum then reappeared in al-Hawl, a Syrian refugee camp, in 2019. She made international headlines as an “ISIS bride” after pleading with the UK government to be allowed to return to her home country for the birth of her son.

Then-Home Secretary Sajid Javid removed her British citizenship in February that year, and Begum’s newborn son died in a Syrian refugee camp the following month. She told UK media she had two other children prior to that baby, who also died in Syria during infancy.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 55 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Yeah the fact that the state can just remove citizenship is very questionable but literally no sane person should have anything to do with ISIS.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Under UK law they're not allowed to remove citizenship if it would render the person stateless. However, when the UK was investigating whether they'd have to take her back (and they really didn't want to), they realized that she [has? is entitled to?] Bangladeshi citizenship, something that neither she nor the Bangladeshi government was aware of. So they stripped her of her UK citizenship and said that she was now Bangladesh's problem. Bangladesh (to put it politely) disagrees, so she remains in a Syrian camp.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

She was radicalized on UK's soil. But they want Bangladesh to deal with the consequences, based on a mere technicality? That's disrespectful, underhanded and sly, to put it mildly.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 8 months ago (1 children)

She's literally British. She was raised here and it's the sole citizenship she holds. What we are doing is illegal and a shirking of our responsibilities to Syrian people, Bangladeshi people, and her. If she's a criminal and an extremist, it's our job to accept her back and deal with that. If she was an adolescent who made a series of terrible errors, endured the most traumatic things, and is genuinely repentant, it's our job to accept her back and deal with that.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah but since when has the UK government cared about doing illegal things. If you gave them two possible options they would automatically pick the illegal one just on principal.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

For anyone reading this comment and assuming it's facetious, may I please direct your attention to the Rwanda asylum "plan"?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

The whole thing was literally thought up in a 10 minute session with Boris Johnson to try to distract from the fact that he was having parties during the time he was telling everyone else to be in lockdown, because he is and always was a brainless bellend. It was literally a plan that was never thought out and was created entirely to distract the media, and then unsurprisingly it didn't work. For some reason Rishi then decided that he would revive it, despite the fact that it was thought up by an idiot in a panic.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

As I understand it international law bans making a person stateless. Bangladeshi law says that any person born of Bangladeshi parents is automatically viewed as Bangladeshi / dual nationality until their twenty first birthday. Any time prior to that age you can apply for full or dual nationality but if you do not your Bangladeshi citizenship rights will lapse at 21. The UK’s legal argument is that as she was below this age when her UK citizenship was stripped she was not made stateless… they don’t care if Bangladesh takes her or not. They just had to prove that by revoking her UK citizenship the UK didn’t break international law.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's still skirting responsibility. Banking on a technicality. I'm pretty sure that this is not what the UN intended when they made such a provision. If the UK wants to disown her, they should be ready to accept responsibility for it too.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Yeah, maybe so, but regardless of my own personal view I just wanted to clear up the legal argument surrounding the case. The ethics and morality behind it is not really for the court to decide.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The reason she had her citizenship removed was because the UK government concluded that she was safe in Syria, after all she's a member of ISIS right so what's going to happen to her? Or at least that was the given justification.

She would have done a lot better waiting for the government to change, and then asking. Everything she has done has been mined numbingly stupid, I don't think she's very bright. Why the hell would you expect a massively right-wing government to be sympathetic, utter madness.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

JSYK it’s “mind numbingly” not “mined numbingly”