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The Canadian government plans to ban the Flipper Zero and similar devices after tagging them as tools thieves can use to steal cars.

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[–] just_another_person 62 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Lol. You better just ban all programmable boards then, because the Flipper doesn't have any special proprietary or differential tech in it. It's just a clever collection of already existing hardware and software. Someone will just make another immediately. Idiots.

[–] Hobo 12 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I don't disagree with your point, but the flipper zero for sure lowers the bar of entry. Before the flipper came out the, "You must be this tall to ride" required some pretty good knowledge of microcontrollers, hardware peripherals, and software engineering. The people that had that sort of knowledge tended to actually have paying jobs, which is like the biggest factor in not being a street criminal.

The flipper made the barrier of entry at about the level of being able to operate a TV remote which any dipshit can do. However, the fact that the flipper exists at all means that the cat is out of the bag. As you said, someone else is just going to come along and release a similar product. You can't just ban the flipper and expect it to have any impact. My concern is they will decided to make certain code illegal, which gets really stupid.

[–] ikidd 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Barrier to entry to do what? They can't be used for vehicle theft because you can't replay attack a rolling code, which is what all vehicles use.

The current attack is to use a repeater to amplify a fob that's close enough to an outside wall to hijack and open these "get close enough and the doors open" locks.

[–] Hobo 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ask Kia/Hyundai owners how it can't be used. There's for sure cars that are susceptible to this attack still driving around, and the barrier to entry for executing the attack was lowered substantially. It's like if you made an out of the box pentesting tool that was highly effective at breaking into vpns, identifying high value targets, and downloaded those high value database's data at the click of a button.

https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2022-37418

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43941743/hyundai-kia-vehicle-theft-settlement/

https://www.theverge.com/23742425/kia-boys-car-theft-steal-tiktok-hyundai-usb

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