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Shell Is Immediately Closing All Of Its California Hydrogen Stations | The oil giant is one of the big players in hydrogen globally, but even it can't make its operations work here. (insideevs.com)

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Shell Is Immediately Closing All Of Its California Hydrogen Stations | The oil giant is one of the big players in hydrogen globally, but even it can't make its operations work here.::The oil giant is one of the big players in hydrogen globally, but even it can't make its operations work here. All seven of its California stations will close immediately.

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[–] nexusband 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I've been on the hydrogen bandwagon for years, but the fact of the matter is, E-Fuels and HVO Diesel is an actual, viable option now, especially with efficiency reaching ever higher numbers year after year. 5 Years ago, one liter of E-Fuel was around 3-4 Euros (projected), now it's around 80 cents.

There is nothing cheaper than just changing out fossile fuels for sustainable and carbon neutral (maybe even carbon negative, because some company's are already thinking about putting a part of the saved carbon in the ground for long term storage, because it's going to be cheaper with co2 taxes to just put a part of that away for good) stuff and just using existing infrastructure.

The 25-30% of people that are going to be getting EVs are easily buffered with the existing grids.

[–] Geobloke 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

As a petrol head, I'm keen to see e fuel that cheap but haven't seen anything like less than than 1 euro. How much is porche doing it for now?

[–] nexusband 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No idea, but HVO100 is around 1,82 Euros per liter where I fuel up and it's considered an "E-Fuel".

Porsche projects around 2 Euros per liter in 2025. By 2025 the fossile fuel prices are expected to be above that due to the co2 taxes. However, that's not the "final" state of the plant, which is expected to be done by 2028 for 500 Million Liters a year. 2025 is 55 Million liters a year...

[–] Geobloke 1 points 10 months ago

Isn't the fuel carbon neutral? Or close to it?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Land use is the issue with e-fuels. It requires land used for food production or nature. Lots and lots of it. It can't scale. It will be just for keep classic ICE cars. Unless it can be done in vertical farms. Or we just keep it simple and use electricity and batteries.