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‘Andrew Tate is a symptom, not the problem’: why young men are turning against feminism (www.theguardian.com)

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Teachers describe a deterioration in behaviour and attitudes that has proved to be fertile terrain for misogynistic influencers

“As soon as I mention feminism, you can feel the shift in the room; they’re shuffling in their seats.” Mike Nicholson holds workshops with teenage boys about the challenges of impending manhood. Standing up for the sisterhood, it seems, is the last thing on their minds.

When Nicholson says he is a feminist himself, “I can see them look at me, like, ‘I used to like you.’”

Once Nicholson, whose programme is called Progressive Masculinity, unpacks the fact that feminism means equal rights and opportunities for women, many of the boys with whom he works are won over.

“A lot of it is bred from misunderstanding and how the word is smeared,” he says.

But he is battling against what he calls a “dominance-based model” of masculinity. “These old-fashioned, regressive ideas are having a renaissance, through your masculinity influencers – your grifters, like Andrew Tate.”

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[–] mods_are_assholes 80 points 9 months ago (7 children)

In all honesty, 3rd wave feminism chased away a lot of male allies. Like a whole lot.

But I don't think that's what led to Andrew Tate, that is no failure of feminism.

Andrew Tate is the product of hyper capitalistic individualism being held up in all forms and media and real life as 'the ideal lifestyle', a rich, aggressive asshole that has enough clout that most people can't back them down.

The Tates, Trumps, Elons of the world are having their day because our current generation conflates wealth with competence.

And it's going to ruin our world.

That said, feminism as it stands now is far more welcoming and inclusive to men than it has been in 25 years and I applaud the change.

[–] Dragon_Titan 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'll probably be downvoted to hell.

TLDR: If your legs are broken and you treat one and ignore the other you'll fall eventually. That's women's and men's rights. True equality is unachievable without both being fully recovered.

Full achieving women's rights while putting minimum input into issues men face. Rarely ends well for either. High suicide rates, homelessness, alcoholism, etc. Those who try to find hope turn to their jobs, religions, and terrible role models.

Both sides have them but most people ignore the truth. People like Andrew Tate become influential because the underlying problem is ignored. More bad role models (BRM) will pop up until you treat the cause instead of the symptoms.

It doesn't help that theres plenty information including studies that highlight the problem and proves the points made by BRM.

This is reinforced by several instances where someone wants to bring awareness to the Men issues being harassed, facing death threats and etc. This also happened when the first and only DV shelter for was opened. The staff and everyone involved faced a huge backlash that they ended up closing it.

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