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You need to simmer down.
Your point is correct, but it's fair to comment on the fact a previously vocal free software/no subscription dev is following a different model with this project. He was quite vocal about the reddit API changes, and many folks heard of him during that situation.
That's not anywhere close to anything he said.
He was perfectly happy to pay reasonable pricing for API access or to pass through ads if Reddit included them as part of the API.
His issue was that Reddit's pricing was obscenely more than they generate per user, functionally made it impossible for developers to pass the costs on to the users even if they wanted to, dropped it on him with minimal warning after very recent statements that they had every intention of leaving API access alone, and then repeatedly fucking publicly lied about him when he had the audacity to tell his paying customers what was going on in the very near future.
That's exactly the vocality I'm referring to.
Except your characterization of it is a lie.
He never said anything that could possibly be interpreted as being against paying for access to content, or as a subscription to an ongoing service being in any way inappropriate.
It's not a lie.
I'm asserting two things:
He formerly produced a free app that was very popular.
He openly discussed the the API pricing changes destroyed the model Apollo was operating on.
He did plenty of monetization on the app, and made good money with it with volume that doesn't exist on Vision Pro. He never said anything implying apps don't deserve to be paid for.
In literally every discussion he ever had about the API pricing change, he said that he entirely supported their need to monetize the API. His issues were not any sort of issue with the premise of the API changes. It was the specific nature of the API changes very obviously being for the sole purpose of making using the API to make an app impossible, when the app ecosystem was the entire reason Reddit was successful to begin with.
You said I lied and I didn't. Retract that.
My assertions are consistent from comment 1
Absolutely not. Your statement does not have anything in common with the truth.
Quote the exact words in my first comment that are untruthful
All of it. He was never an advocate for software being free or against the right of companies to monetize their API in any context. He was against a specific company using "monetizing" their API as an excuse to make it impossible for third party apps to exist.
His position has not changed in any way and there is nothing that is in any way consistent between any of his statements or behavior.
I never said he "advocated" anything.
You're arguing in bad faith. You are being toxic.
I asserted some very basic things about how people may be familiar with this person, and you abstracted a whole fight.
-He made a free app.
-He gained greater public visibility during the reddit API price changes.
Those are fucking facts, and those are quite clear in my original comment.
I never claimed he was a champion of "free".
No, you are.
Your presentation implied he owed someone something because he made an app that had a free version once.
It absolutely is not, and does not resemble, "fair" to complain that a guy followed the bare minimum rules for an app to be allowed to exist.
"no u"
Followed by an assumption.
Great stuff.
It's possibly fair you misunderstood me the first time, not everyone is a great reader, or ESL, or any other reason. .
But you persisted after clarification, after I called on you to cite my words, not continue to invent your own. (Ex: you claiming I said he "advocated" for certain practices.) That's toxic.
I'm done with you. I've made my position very clear, and you've don't nothing but bloviate your own issues and reality, rather than what's written.
Cya
Notice how all of the replies are calling out the exact same malicious horseshit I did?
But sure , it's because I can't read, not because you wrote something bashing someone for doing literally nothing wrong.
What replies? You're the only one speaking to me on this matter.
Holy shit, do you think I'm someone else?
He was not against paying for the API. The prices Reddit asked for were just insane and he could not have continued Apollo with an optional subscription. Youtube Premium is also optional. The fact that Apollo did not show ads was Reddits „fault“.
The ads/subscription here were pre-existing and, depending on who you ask, are fairly good and necessary to make YouTube not a total loss- I can’t claim to know everything Christian believes but I imagine he’s fine with paying reasonable amounts for subscriptions of live services that he actually uses, or paying for the tools to make things.
Also building adblocking into something like this would be a moving target and akin to poking a sleeping bear, which I can understand wanting to avoid.
Christian had a paid and subscription model for Apollo. He was never a vocal free software/no subscription dev.
Re the Reddit API, he didn’t have a problem with it, he had a problem with the ludicrous pricing and the way Reddit gaslit him and the community about it. He’s always been a proponent of reasonable and useful subscription models.
It sounds to me like you don’t really know what you’re talking about.
He was.vocal.about the reddit API changes resulting in a free Apollo app no longer being viable. I never said he was an advocate for a free Apollo app.
Calm down, ChatGPT.
Lol shit. Editted.
Online if someone says "grow up" I find that they are almost always entirely wrong about whatever point they are making.
Slightly disagree. His point is a fine one. His delivery is, comically, immature
If they just had said "you should code that app yourself" I would be less inclined to think they're calling anyone who doesn't agree with them a child.