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Farmers get dyed fuel delivered to their farms all the time. It's a pretty standard operating procedure. All major chain Truck stops have the option at every pump to pump untaxed fuel (for refrigerated trailers), though most of those pumps aren't dyed. Older truck stops have a separate pump specifically for dyed diesel.
Also the electric drive train ice range extender doesn't get energy from one source. That issue has not been addressed tax wise.
Right... All sparsely-populated areas with demographics that have almost no interest in anything but a pickup truck or maybe an SUV. And again, doesn't most of that heavy equipment using all that fuel run on diesel? The Volt certainly doesn't.
Right, most off road equipment runs on diesel, but not everything. The biggest off road gasoline example is aviation gasoline. I'm fairly sure each grade of aviation gasoline has a different dye. It's been a long time since I looked into this. It was when the Volt was announced. Fuel agnostic engines that are easily convertible by the user would be really neat to run in these applications and likely would've been the natural progression of the platform. I think the heavy duty and farm sectors would be best served with this concept (electric drive train and PTO, ice generator range extender).
I'm also the guy that lives in that area in flyover America. My proselytizing usually involves showing them my home charger's app that shows how much electricity I use and what that costs (normally around $30/mo) and compare that to the average fill up every week ($30-40). I also say I know where my electricity is produced (coal fired power plant) and that the coal is mined by people local to the area. My state has a friends of coal license plate, it's easy to say my car being actually coal powered when talking to the people with that plate. It's also easy to pitch being self reliant and putting up your own solar panels to the people who think our electricity grid can't handle the load. I can always generate electricity on my property, but I can't refine gasoline on my property. It also helps by giving them a ride and slamming them into the seat and explaining that the motor is about the size of a coffee can, lol.
I also wanted a decently priced electric pickup truck for light duty work and home projects, look through my history for my story on how well that went last year for me. For now I have my Bolt to get around, but I'll give it to my eldest child when she's ready to start driving and hope that truck prices normalize and better availability for non-luxury trims.
Uhhhh. Aviation gas is 100 octane leaded. It costs $7/gallon. I don't think people are using that in their cars to avoid taxes.
My point is, the savings off diesel taxes (state and federal) in Illinois is 95¢/gal, for gasoline it's 63¢/gal. At today's prices it's a 20-25% discount. If your car got a 20-25% boost in miles/dollar, I'm sure you'd notice.
I understand that. My point was that finding places with that type of fuel, compatible with the car, is a challenge - enough that the majority of city-dwelling hybrid owners could well spend more money reaching some fuel station that caters to farmers (or whatever) than they would save in fuel taxes once they get there. Not to mention the time involved. And that's also assuming that station sells unleaded gasoline, since most of the non-highway uses you mention involve diesel.
Basically, what you're thinking happened would be a solution to a problem that doesn't really exist, because non-highway unleaded gasoline is practically non-existent. If it weren't, I'd have used it on my lawn mower.
That was my initial point (my conspiracy theory). I believe that the government asked GM to make it a traditional hybrid so that this wouldn't be fought in courts. But now that there is a company actively implementing this solution (Edison Motors) in applications not well suited for full battery electric only, it's going to need to be addressed because in theory not all the electricity in the batteries will not necessarily be generated by a road taxable fuel powered generator. You could even use untaxed alternative fuels like methane, propane, or hydrogen.
Propane you buy at any place, liquid methane might be harder to come by. With a natural gas line and a compressor and cooler, a farm could have enough space to implement this setup. Heck, with all the methane landfills emit, this could be a great implementation once oil refinery winds down from reduced demand.