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Research paper referenced in the video that makes Dr. Hossenfelder very worried:

Global warming in the pipeline: https://academic.oup.com/oocc/article/3/1/kgad008/7335889

Abstract

Improved knowledge of glacial-to-interglacial global temperature change yields Charney (fast-feedback) equilibrium climate sensitivity 1.2 ± 0.3°C (2σ) per W/m2, which is 4.8°C ± 1.2°C for doubled CO2. Consistent analysis of temperature over the full Cenozoic era—including ‘slow’ feedbacks by ice sheets and trace gases—supports this sensitivity and implies that CO2 was 300–350 ppm in the Pliocene and about 450 ppm at transition to a nearly ice-free planet, exposing unrealistic lethargy of ice sheet models. Equilibrium global warming for today’s GHG amount is 10°C, which is reduced to 8°C by today’s human-made aerosols. Equilibrium warming is not ‘committed’ warming; rapid phaseout of GHG emissions would prevent most equilibrium warming from occurring. However, decline of aerosol emissions since 2010 should increase the 1970–2010 global warming rate of 0.18°C per decade to a post-2010 rate of at least 0.27°C per decade. Thus, under the present geopolitical approach to GHG emissions, global warming will exceed 1.5°C in the 2020s and 2°C before 2050. Impacts on people and nature will accelerate as global warming increases hydrologic (weather) extremes. The enormity of consequences demands a return to Holocene-level global temperature. Required actions include: (1) a global increasing price on GHG emissions accompanied by development of abundant, affordable, dispatchable clean energy, (2) East-West cooperation in a way that accommodates developing world needs, and (3) intervention with Earth’s radiation imbalance to phase down today’s massive human-made ‘geo-transformation’ of Earth’s climate. Current political crises present an opportunity for reset, especially if young people can grasp their situation.

My basic summary (I am NOT a climate scientist so someone tell me if I'm wrong and I HOPE this is wrong for my children), scientists had dismissed hotter climate models due to the fact that we didn't have historical data to prove them. Now folks are applying hotter models to predicting weather and the hotter models appear to be more accurate. So it looks like we're going to break 2C BEFORE 2050 and could hit highs of 8C-10C by the end of the century with our CURRENT levels of green house gases, not even including increasing those.

EDIT: Adding more sources:

Use of Short-Range Forecasts to Evaluate Fast Physics Processes Relevant for Climate Sensitivity: https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2019MS001986

Short-term tests validate long-term estimates of climate change: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01484-5

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (24 children)

we don't need to feed them more than waste. that's a choice

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (23 children)

Okay, so we have large numbers of livestock dying of starvation because there are not enough calories in silage to support the livestock we have.

Then because they die unevenly (older and naturally sicklier animals first), they’re still pretty well distributed throughout farms very far from each other.

So now we need to transport our silage further to distribute it to our livestock, who again release a lot of methane in their processing of it.

This means, instead of using silage to make fertilizer or allow tractors to run on ethanol, we send it far away, where it can be used make a lot more contributions to greenhouse gases than we would have if we’d just stop trying to rear animals.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (4 children)

So now we need to transport our silage further to distribute it to our livestock, who again release a lot of methane in their processing of it.

no, you can just raise the livestock near the crops.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So we need to move all the farms? How does that work?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

same way you dictate what food is made, I suppose

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Why on earth did you branch out my comment into three different subsection replies in which you say essentially the same thing?

Cutting livestock subsidies and offering tax incentives and government support for farmers who want to convert their farms from livestock to plant farms, while increasing import tariffs on meat and dairy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Why on earth did you branch out my comment into three different subsection replies in which you say essentially the same thing?

I considered each response independent, and I'm not a huge fan of editing comments

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