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Families of hostages storm Knesset meeting after Netanyahu rejects Hamas offer
(www.theguardian.com)
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75 years of oppression and apartheid. Seriously try accomplishing anything if this is your life. My grandparents survived the Nakba and were ethnically cleansed. Those who tried to defend our home town were killed by Israel. Add to that the Deir Yassin massacre which prompted the family to flee for their lives and Israeli settlers took over their homes and turned it into a settlement after erasing its name and history. My father grew up in a refugee camp in Jordan under poverty, had to study his way through to even make any livable wage. My grandma had nothing left from her family and struggled to build her own house to raise a family, while still hoping to return home one day. My grandpa could never finish his education and major in English... to this day he feels sorry to only have afforded to study until 6th grade because he had to work every day of his life since his family lost literally everything they had because of Israel.
Sorry we were too busy fixing our lives after Israel wrecked it, didn't have time to make huge political changes in a system we're never allowed to return to or vote in or affect in any way, in a country where we get strip searched and forced to walk in caged queues and where any of us could get shot on spot with no justice.
So again, super duper sorry! We were busy being displaced and getting over trauma.
Ah yes and Bibi funding Hamas endlessly to lead up to October 7th.
You're smart but sometimes you ask the weirdest questions.
Man, I understand all that. Generational trauma, generational poverty. Hasn't everyone suffered under Hamas and it's predecessor ideologies long enough?
I read about that massacre. Arabs began lying about the body count immediately and four days later they bombed a clearly marked medical convoy and killed seventy eight doctors, nurses, and students. What has changed?
Maybe if the Palestinian side had not squandered every dollar in foreign aid it has received on paying pensions to suicide bombers and launching rockets that practically never hit their targets, stop glorifying terrorism and martyrdom, there could have been something to negotiate about. If the national Palestinian response to a massacre is to come together and do another massacre, there is nothing to negotiate.
Oh well, now we will find out what Gaza looks like without Hamas. Hopefully the people there will soon be out from under the extreme religious fundamentalists who are running the place, escape their inevitable fate of being used by Hamas as human shields to score sympathy points.from gullible westerners, and actually have some responsibility and determination over their futures.
Do you really understand, or do you just repeat what I'm saying to make it look like you "acknowledge and understand" but then proceed to ignore it anyway?
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I think this is it. I'm done with debating you. We had a good long debate on many threads, but I'm seriously done. Don't take it personally, it's just tiring. Seeing video footage of people dying at every single place they went to shelter in, and then seeing you day in day out pretend the numbers "aren't so high" and trusting the IDF blindly... eh.
I think the discussions were worth it, but today is the first time I cried in a while over this conflict, and I honestly do not think (based on our conversations) you would ever be able to show empathy on a true level.
Man I am a bleeding heart liberal who has a lot of sympathy for the innocent Palestinian people caught up in this.
Where we disagree is that I think the greatest utility comes from liberating the region from Hamas and related ideologies of violence.
You should cry more often. Very clarifying. There is a lot of emotion in your point of view and I think it clouds your assessment of things.
Yeah, you're right, I can look at lot of the "reports" of atrocities and find justification for Israel. If someone says that some apartment building was bombed indiscriminately and then I can go and find the actual recording residents of the same building received hours before the bombing and videos of the airburst shells they fired as warning shots before the ordinance, it's not a lack of empathy that allows me to conclude that the bombing was justified, it's that the alternative proposal, to let terrorist win simply because they use human shields.
You seem perfectly content to let Hamas stay in charge and see another generation of Palestinians be martyred, coerced into doing a suicide bombing or ignoring evacuation orders and warning shots to die as human shields. I am not content with that. That's my sympathy. You are concerned with the lives of tens of thousands of people. I am too. I am simply more concerned with the lives of tens of millions. They take up a bigger space in my brain and in my heart.
Today Israel killed yet more civilians at the UNRWA training center and shelter in Khan Younis, and I bet you that you will find one way or the other to make the IDF look like they either did an "oopsie" or that "Hamas was there", all based on "the IDF said it, the IDF is 'reliable', thus it's probably true enough for me to believe".
This is from Aljazeera's timeline today:
This is insane to justify. Utterly insane, and yet you will confidently find a way.
Sorry for adding yet another message to this, but yeah. Bye then.
This is you being tricked in real time.
You literally don't have enough information to form a conclusion about this thing that happened in the past couple of hours, but that didn't stop you from forming one and being angry about it. You just realize your information is incomplete.
There are extensive tunnels under Khan Younis. Why is it incredible to you that Hamas would be be present there?
Al Jazeera is Qatari state media. Qatari is Hamas's largest financial supporter.
Neither the Qatari officials or their state media has any credibility in its coverage of this war.