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Families of hostages storm Knesset meeting after Netanyahu rejects Hamas offer (www.theguardian.com)

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Family members of Israelis held hostage in the Gaza Strip have stormed a parliamentary meeting in Jerusalem to demand that Israel’s government does more to return their loved ones, as fighting in Khan Younis reached unprecedented levels.

About 20 relatives of people seized as captives by the Palestinian militant group in the 7 October attack disrupted a Knesset finance committee meeting on Monday, chanting: “Release them now, now, now!”

One woman, who has three family members taken by Hamas, cried: “Just one I’d like to get back alive, one out of three.” Other protesters held up signs reading: “You will not sit here while they die there.”

On Sunday, the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, rejected new Hamas conditions for ending the war and releasing the hostages including the Islamist group retaining control of Gaza and Israel withdrawing completely. In response, a Hamas official in Qatar said Netanyahu’s refusal to end the military offensive in Gaza meant there was “no chance for the return of the captives”.

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[–] snek 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Do you really understand, or do you just repeat what I'm saying to make it look like you "acknowledge and understand" but then proceed to ignore it anyway?

If the national Palestinian response to a massacre is to come together and do another massacre, there is nothing to negotiate.

??????

I think this is it. I'm done with debating you. We had a good long debate on many threads, but I'm seriously done. Don't take it personally, it's just tiring. Seeing video footage of people dying at every single place they went to shelter in, and then seeing you day in day out pretend the numbers "aren't so high" and trusting the IDF blindly... eh.

I think the discussions were worth it, but today is the first time I cried in a while over this conflict, and I honestly do not think (based on our conversations) you would ever be able to show empathy on a true level.

[–] JustZ -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Man I am a bleeding heart liberal who has a lot of sympathy for the innocent Palestinian people caught up in this.

Where we disagree is that I think the greatest utility comes from liberating the region from Hamas and related ideologies of violence.

You should cry more often. Very clarifying. There is a lot of emotion in your point of view and I think it clouds your assessment of things.

Yeah, you're right, I can look at lot of the "reports" of atrocities and find justification for Israel. If someone says that some apartment building was bombed indiscriminately and then I can go and find the actual recording residents of the same building received hours before the bombing and videos of the airburst shells they fired as warning shots before the ordinance, it's not a lack of empathy that allows me to conclude that the bombing was justified, it's that the alternative proposal, to let terrorist win simply because they use human shields.

You seem perfectly content to let Hamas stay in charge and see another generation of Palestinians be martyred, coerced into doing a suicide bombing or ignoring evacuation orders and warning shots to die as human shields. I am not content with that. That's my sympathy. You are concerned with the lives of tens of thousands of people. I am too. I am simply more concerned with the lives of tens of millions. They take up a bigger space in my brain and in my heart.

[–] snek 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Today Israel killed yet more civilians at the UNRWA training center and shelter in Khan Younis, and I bet you that you will find one way or the other to make the IDF look like they either did an "oopsie" or that "Hamas was there", all based on "the IDF said it, the IDF is 'reliable', thus it's probably true enough for me to believe".

This is from Aljazeera's timeline today:

“One hour ago, it seems that three shells have been landed inside the … training centre of Khan Younis that belongs to UNRWA,” he said, adding that a “building has been set on fire” and that “there are many casualties”.

Abu Hasna told Al Jazeera that UNRWA hoped to get more information within the next hour, noting that it has been trying to send ambulances to the site in coordination with the Israeli army.

Asked if there had been any warning, he replied: “No.”

“We have not been able to get in and from the compound in the last 48 hours because the Israeli tanks actually [were] very close to the compound,” he said, describing the situation as “very dangerous”.

This is insane to justify. Utterly insane, and yet you will confidently find a way.

Sorry for adding yet another message to this, but yeah. Bye then.

[–] JustZ -2 points 10 months ago

This is you being tricked in real time.

You literally don't have enough information to form a conclusion about this thing that happened in the past couple of hours, but that didn't stop you from forming one and being angry about it. You just realize your information is incomplete.

There are extensive tunnels under Khan Younis. Why is it incredible to you that Hamas would be be present there?

Al Jazeera is Qatari state media. Qatari is Hamas's largest financial supporter.

Neither the Qatari officials or their state media has any credibility in its coverage of this war.